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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 463074" data-attributes="member: 518">Unlike most folks I guess...I feel it is NOT the same game...yes there are familiar elements and names, but the system has been stripped and rebuilt...it's like comparing a 68' 428 CJ Mustang to a 98 SVT Mustang (Cobra)..same name..different car...they both will get you from point a to point b. The SVT is more controlled, and smoother, but lacks charm and personality..it's sterile...it feels like any other modern speed ride... the 68 CJ will get ya there just as fast.. the power is raw and explosive, the ride is gritty..but the car drips personality and has a charm that will never be recaptured...To me alot of the D&amp;D &quot;Feel&quot; is not about terminology..like AC and HP...alot of the &quot;feel&quot; of D&amp;D to me has always been the (clunky at times) mechanics...Thieve's Skill percentages, Backstabs, System Shock, Ability Score minimums,negative AC's, damage vs. Large opponents, etc, etc...3E got rid of or renamed/reworked many things that to ME are integral to what D&amp;D is...and there are some nomenclature changes that kind of &quot;ruin&quot; it for me..the spells, some of the magic items, etc...back in the early 80's...if you wanted a better RULES system, you jumped on to RQ, DQ, or a few other systems...but D&amp;D always had a familiarity and a style that no-one else had...3E does NOT have that for me...it's sanitized. Now it's just like in the early 80's..it may have the same name, but it's different..different enough to where it does not seem like D&amp;D to me...Now that doesn't mean it's a bad game, it's quite improved in many ways, and the system as far as from a rules standpoint is starting to show it's &quot;superiority&quot; to me the more I run itBut it's not the D&amp;D game I grew up with...and that makes me sad on occasion...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 463074, member: 518"] Unlike most folks I guess...I feel it is NOT the same game...yes there are familiar elements and names, but the system has been stripped and rebuilt... it's like comparing a 68' 428 CJ Mustang to a 98 SVT Mustang (Cobra)..same name..different car...they both will get you from point a to point b. The SVT is more controlled, and smoother, but lacks charm and personality..it's sterile...it feels like any other modern speed ride... the 68 CJ will get ya there just as fast.. the power is raw and explosive, the ride is gritty..but the car drips personality and has a charm that will never be recaptured... To me alot of the D&D "Feel" is not about terminology..like AC and HP...alot of the "feel" of D&D to me has always been the (clunky at times) mechanics...Thieve's Skill percentages, Backstabs, System Shock, Ability Score minimums,negative AC's, damage vs. Large opponents, etc, etc...3E got rid of or renamed/reworked many things that to ME are integral to what D&D is... and there are some nomenclature changes that kind of "ruin" it for me..the spells, some of the magic items, etc... back in the early 80's...if you wanted a better RULES system, you jumped on to RQ, DQ, or a few other systems...but D&D always had a familiarity and a style that no-one else had...3E does NOT have that for me...it's sanitized. Now it's just like in the early 80's..it may have the same name, but it's different..different enough to where it does not seem like D&D to me... Now that doesn't mean it's a bad game, it's quite improved in many ways, and the system as far as from a rules standpoint is starting to show it's "superiority" to me the more I run it But it's not the D&D game I grew up with...and that makes me sad on occasion... [/QUOTE]

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