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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 1976630" data-attributes="member: 945">Yes, this is true, but they're in non-core books. I shouldn't have to spend $100 to get all the rules I need to play the character I want.Well, it's not 100% a class system. I can still customize my class with feats and skills, so there are menu choices available. So, it's kind of like going into a cafeteria and ordering chicken, and potatoes and carrots as a side. When they serve you your plate, you get chicken, potatoes, carrots, and spinach.&nbsp; &quot;I didn't ask for spinach.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Sorry&quot;, is the reply, &quot;they come standard with the chicken.&quot;Why?&nbsp; Cleric is a class with divine spells, and hit dice, and a BAB progression, and saves, and specifics regarding weapons and armor available - and all of that defines a cleric.&nbsp; Why go a step further and say &quot;there is this ability here that you have, whether you want it or not.&quot;&nbsp; What does that serve?&nbsp; I can't count the number of arcane casters that are indifferent whether they have a familiar or not.&nbsp; Let them choose whether they want to take that ability. If I don't take the familiar, I feel like I'm cheating myself by not taking full advantage of my class, and I'm weaker for it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 1976630, member: 945"] Yes, this is true, but they're in non-core books. I shouldn't have to spend $100 to get all the rules I need to play the character I want. Well, it's not 100% a class system. I can still customize my class with feats and skills, so there are menu choices available. So, it's kind of like going into a cafeteria and ordering chicken, and potatoes and carrots as a side. When they serve you your plate, you get chicken, potatoes, carrots, and spinach. "I didn't ask for spinach." "Sorry", is the reply, "they come standard with the chicken." Why? Cleric is a class with divine spells, and hit dice, and a BAB progression, and saves, and specifics regarding weapons and armor available - and all of that defines a cleric. Why go a step further and say "there is this ability here that you have, whether you want it or not." What does that serve? I can't count the number of arcane casters that are indifferent whether they have a familiar or not. Let them choose whether they want to take that ability. If I don't take the familiar, I feel like I'm cheating myself by not taking full advantage of my class, and I'm weaker for it. [/QUOTE]

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