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Is 3rd edition too "quantitative"
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<blockquote data-quote="DungeonMaster" data-source="post: 1993214" data-attributes="member: 27431"><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> You have GOT to be kidding. Is this some sort of dry sarcasm? </p><p></p><p>I have NEVER seen a worse more munchy edition of the game than D&D 3rd or even worse, 3.5. </p><p>The fact that there are ~10 bonus types does <em> NOT </em> reduce the amount of munchkinism it enhances it by orders of magnitude. </p><p>More variables = more munch, plain simple stupid reality. You will find someone, somewhere who feels a +10 competence bonus is *ok* and in another book someone will say +10 morale is *ok* and you're going to end up with, guess what +20 net. </p><p></p><p>3rd edition and 3.5 are by FAR the most broken editions of the game EVER. </p><p>The simple fact of the matter is you basically cannot pick up two non-core books and apply them to a game in good conscience in 3rd edition if you have even a single min/max bone in your body. It is so ridiculous that many DMs will run "core only" games - like myself because literally the non-core books are overpowered gunk. </p><p></p><p>I run 3rd edition, I like 3rd edition because of the simplicity of the d20 mechanic. A LOT of the problems with 3rd edition are due to the quantitative nature of this edition and I hope the next edition does a frigging clean sweep of the insanity that is 3rd edition "prestige classes" "race" "feats" "stacks" and even "level = level multiclassing". In fact I wouldn't shed a single tear to see all of the above die in extremely gory fashion with no multiclassing system, no prestige class at all ever period gone obliterated not even optional, no feats, no retarded player races like raptorans in fact no monster races period, only 3 modifier types (attack rolls, saves and checks). Actually I would rejoice in the above. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I could buy a book without thinking "is there a billion damage hulking hurler lurking in here...". Or buy an environment based book that actually deals with you know, cold weather and it's effects on players monsters their gear, rather than the anemic moronic (book -20 pages) of "RACES FEATS PRC SPELLS!!! NONE OF IT PLAYTESTED BY ANYONE SAVE MY HAMSTER!!" for crying outloud. This stuff is crap. Let's hope this edition is the end of the line for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DungeonMaster, post: 1993214, member: 27431"] :confused: You have GOT to be kidding. Is this some sort of dry sarcasm? I have NEVER seen a worse more munchy edition of the game than D&D 3rd or even worse, 3.5. The fact that there are ~10 bonus types does [i] NOT [/i] reduce the amount of munchkinism it enhances it by orders of magnitude. More variables = more munch, plain simple stupid reality. You will find someone, somewhere who feels a +10 competence bonus is *ok* and in another book someone will say +10 morale is *ok* and you're going to end up with, guess what +20 net. 3rd edition and 3.5 are by FAR the most broken editions of the game EVER. The simple fact of the matter is you basically cannot pick up two non-core books and apply them to a game in good conscience in 3rd edition if you have even a single min/max bone in your body. It is so ridiculous that many DMs will run "core only" games - like myself because literally the non-core books are overpowered gunk. I run 3rd edition, I like 3rd edition because of the simplicity of the d20 mechanic. A LOT of the problems with 3rd edition are due to the quantitative nature of this edition and I hope the next edition does a frigging clean sweep of the insanity that is 3rd edition "prestige classes" "race" "feats" "stacks" and even "level = level multiclassing". In fact I wouldn't shed a single tear to see all of the above die in extremely gory fashion with no multiclassing system, no prestige class at all ever period gone obliterated not even optional, no feats, no retarded player races like raptorans in fact no monster races period, only 3 modifier types (attack rolls, saves and checks). Actually I would rejoice in the above. Maybe I could buy a book without thinking "is there a billion damage hulking hurler lurking in here...". Or buy an environment based book that actually deals with you know, cold weather and it's effects on players monsters their gear, rather than the anemic moronic (book -20 pages) of "RACES FEATS PRC SPELLS!!! NONE OF IT PLAYTESTED BY ANYONE SAVE MY HAMSTER!!" for crying outloud. This stuff is crap. Let's hope this edition is the end of the line for it. [/QUOTE]
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