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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jupp" data-source="post: 1993867" data-attributes="member: 20804">To me it is like this:3E is to me like the 2e rulebooks with all the Option/Complete books condensed into one big book. There are not really any optional rules left for the group and the DM to add to the game because the foundation is already in the core rules. All that is left for improvement is adding additional feats, PrCs, skills, whatever. But its not as modular as previous incarnations of D&D. It is also not as flexible when it comes to altering the core rules itself because lots of rules depend or interact with alot of other rules. Pro: Whatever you ask, the core rules have it (almost always). Players and DMs have a common ground on where they can build their game on and there wont be too many discussions about adding or removing optional stuff because everything's there already. You can take your char sheet and go to the next gaming group to continue with your PC without too much tweaking and adjusting.Con: There are so many rules already in the core books that it will be hard for DMs to take away stuff he doesnt really like. This is getting even harder when the DMs starts to alter rules at the foundation of the game. Where in 2e it was not too hard to alter and add/remove tools because the system already was more open and tweaker-friendly in 3E you have many more inter-dependencies of rules that affect each other. Changingn or removing those rules sometimes triggers a chain-reaction that has to be well thought about beforehand. For the players it will be a more complex as well because they have many rules to watch when they play. Bonus/Malus, AoO, Special attacks, yadayadayada. It's a different kind of gaming where the gameplay shifts more to the wargaming side with a lot of number crunching.2e/1e had a core rule book with the bare minimum needed to play. Not too much optional stuff but you were ready to sit down and have an ejoyable session/campaign/whatever. Then there were the optional rulebooks and accessories like "Complete..." or those "Option" books. Players and DMs could choose a bunch of those books and agree upon what should be packed into their game and what had to stay outside.Pro: Building rulesets to your liking by adding optional rules with those books you really wanna have. If you dont want to it wont hurt the game at all.Con: Fragmented rules all over the place. You could not really take you char sheet and just sit down with the next group and continue with your PC without serious char-tweaking beforehandSo to me, essentially the 3E ruleset is a something like 2E core rules + all options. And thats already with the core rulebooks ( not counting all those additional books like the 3.x versions of "complete  xxxxxxx" or similar stuff). I once stopped playing 2e because of rules inflation and went out to other rpg systems. When 3E came out and I got the PHB I just had the feeling that I read a 2e rules cyclopedia. Just with the problem that there was no real way to take out all those rules I didnt like. Some months ago our group decided to go back from 3E to 2e sans any optional rules and a handfull of houserules. Since then our game has improved alot, roleplaying wise, because we dont have to think about numbers that much anymore.</blockquote>

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