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<blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 1997361" data-attributes="member: 2673">Comparing 1e/2e characters to 3e characters is irrelevent.&nbsp; 3e monsters are much more flexible and powerful.&nbsp; I know I never want to return to the days of no monster actually having a Strength score.&nbsp; Even if 3e characters are more powerful, so what?&nbsp; What does that prove?&nbsp; Is the game with the most powerful characters the 'cheesy, munchkin' one?&nbsp; In that case, why not compare 3e characters to BRP Call of Cthulhu characters to make them look even worse?&nbsp; Or if you like 3e compare them to Exalted characters to show how non-munchkiny they are?AD&amp;D was a good game for its time.&nbsp; But it crushed itself under the weight of its own suppliments, and without them the game wasn't flexible enough - every fighter was a clone of the others.&nbsp; Character differences should be quantifiable.&nbsp; I don't want to give an AD&amp;D fighter a rapier and call him a swashbuckler, and have a second one ride a horse and call himself a knight.&nbsp; There should be real differences between the two, and one should not be crippled compared to the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="maddman75, post: 1997361, member: 2673"] Comparing 1e/2e characters to 3e characters is irrelevent. 3e monsters are much more flexible and powerful. I know I never want to return to the days of no monster actually having a Strength score. Even if 3e characters are more powerful, so what? What does that prove? Is the game with the most powerful characters the 'cheesy, munchkin' one? In that case, why not compare 3e characters to BRP Call of Cthulhu characters to make them look even worse? Or if you like 3e compare them to Exalted characters to show how non-munchkiny they are? AD&D was a good game for its time. But it crushed itself under the weight of its own suppliments, and without them the game wasn't flexible enough - every fighter was a clone of the others. Character differences should be quantifiable. I don't want to give an AD&D fighter a rapier and call him a swashbuckler, and have a second one ride a horse and call himself a knight. There should be real differences between the two, and one should not be crippled compared to the other. [/QUOTE]

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