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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 4069431" data-attributes="member: 18701">I voted that it's rules heavy and I don't like it that way. But I do think the rules has it's good points and I would still rather play 3e than older editions because of the rules.It's much easier to learn than older editions. And if you spend the year&nbsp; :\ it takes to memorize most of it pretty well, then it's very helpful for the DM. But one thing I've never liked is how it's also easier for players to learn; which causes them to argue with the DM whenever he tries to rule on the fly without players realizing it. Back in 2e, the ONLY arguments I'd ever hear in the group were about conflicting assumptions on who was where on the battlefield and other things that had to do with not using minis &amp; a battlemat. Players would be imagining the scenario layout one way, while the DM is imagining it the other way. So it didn't have to do with rules, it had to do with no mat or minis being used.Nobody questioned the DMs rulings on anything else. All we wanted to hear was &quot;what happened&quot;. Even if we didn't trust the DM to be fair, we still only wanted to know &quot;what happened&quot; and then we'd deal with it and say, &quot;He's a hardass DM&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 4069431, member: 18701"] I voted that it's rules heavy and I don't like it that way. But I do think the rules has it's good points and I would still rather play 3e than older editions because of the rules. It's much easier to learn than older editions. And if you spend the [i]year[/i] :\ it takes to memorize most of it pretty well, then it's very helpful for the DM. But one thing I've never liked is how it's also easier for players to learn; which causes them to argue with the DM whenever he tries to rule on the fly without players realizing it. Back in 2e, the ONLY arguments I'd ever hear in the group were about conflicting assumptions on who was where on the battlefield and other things that had to do with not using minis & a battlemat. Players would be imagining the scenario layout one way, while the DM is imagining it the other way. So it didn't have to do with rules, it had to do with no mat or minis being used. Nobody questioned the DMs rulings on anything else. All we wanted to hear was "what happened". Even if we didn't trust the DM to be fair, we still only wanted to know "what happened" and then we'd deal with it and say, "He's a hardass DM". [/QUOTE]

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