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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 4477754" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>As a DM, I am enjoying 4e much more than I ever did 3.5. I think they did a wonderful job streamlining my duties ... and I also think that they did a wonderful job streamlining movement and stuff like that. However, I'm yet to be convinced that giving all classes spells was a good idea.</p><p></p><p>One of the other guys in the group runs a SWSE game and we alternate between his game and my D&D game. As much as it pains me to admit it, I actually think I prefer the SWSE system to the 4e system. For all the talk of 4e making D&D more streamlined and faster, it's still a slow bog crawl compared to SWSE. I also think the essentially feat-based system (if you consider that talents are basically class-only feats) is far more elegant than the powers system.</p><p></p><p>What I don't like about the power system is that each power has its own attack modifier, its own damage amount, and its own set of keywords. I don't like how you essentially <em>have</em> to use power cards <em>and</em> magic item cards lest you forget what your character can do. The official character sheet just isn't good enough for what the game requires of it.</p><p></p><p>I also don't like a lot of the marketing tactics that WotC has employed to sell the game to us.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can tell, my three veteran players are enjoying 4e more than 3.5. The two new guys seem to be enjoying themselves as well. However, I can see some of them struggling to deal with all the powers and all the different modifiers they need for things. Quite frequently they just resort to using basic attacks because they're easier and quicker to resolve than some of the powers (and yes we do use power cards).</p><p></p><p>So yeah ... 4e is mostly doing it for me. I won't be going back to 3.5 ever, but I may be house ruling 4e quite a bit down the track. WotC streamlined many aspects of the game that I felt needed streamlining (and for the most part they made changes in line with the changes I made to 3.5), but at the same time they added complexity in places that I don't think really needed it.</p><p></p><p>If it had been up to me, I would've made 4e look more like SWSE (I would've made the clases feat/talent-based, in other words).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Jonny</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 4477754, member: 54629"] As a DM, I am enjoying 4e much more than I ever did 3.5. I think they did a wonderful job streamlining my duties ... and I also think that they did a wonderful job streamlining movement and stuff like that. However, I'm yet to be convinced that giving all classes spells was a good idea. One of the other guys in the group runs a SWSE game and we alternate between his game and my D&D game. As much as it pains me to admit it, I actually think I prefer the SWSE system to the 4e system. For all the talk of 4e making D&D more streamlined and faster, it's still a slow bog crawl compared to SWSE. I also think the essentially feat-based system (if you consider that talents are basically class-only feats) is far more elegant than the powers system. What I don't like about the power system is that each power has its own attack modifier, its own damage amount, and its own set of keywords. I don't like how you essentially [I]have[/I] to use power cards [I]and[/I] magic item cards lest you forget what your character can do. The official character sheet just isn't good enough for what the game requires of it. I also don't like a lot of the marketing tactics that WotC has employed to sell the game to us. As far as I can tell, my three veteran players are enjoying 4e more than 3.5. The two new guys seem to be enjoying themselves as well. However, I can see some of them struggling to deal with all the powers and all the different modifiers they need for things. Quite frequently they just resort to using basic attacks because they're easier and quicker to resolve than some of the powers (and yes we do use power cards). So yeah ... 4e is mostly doing it for me. I won't be going back to 3.5 ever, but I may be house ruling 4e quite a bit down the track. WotC streamlined many aspects of the game that I felt needed streamlining (and for the most part they made changes in line with the changes I made to 3.5), but at the same time they added complexity in places that I don't think really needed it. If it had been up to me, I would've made 4e look more like SWSE (I would've made the clases feat/talent-based, in other words). Cheers, Jonny [/QUOTE]
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