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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4477905" data-attributes="member: 710">I tend to think 4E doesn't cater to people that want inherent complexity in the system. You have plenty of emergent complexity when playing the game.3E featured a lot of &quot;default tactics&quot; that sprung from the inherent complexity of the system - casting a host of buff spells, buying Wands of CLW, stuff like that. But once you've figured this stuff us, there was little complexity to be had. At least compared to 4E - there is no &quot;pre-combat tactic&quot; to devise. You have to act to the situation. There are a few guidelines from the roles, but when it is a good idea to bring out a daily power, when you should put out your encounter attack that also provides healing, that all depends heavily on what kind of monsters you face, how the battlefield looks like, how the enemies and allies are distributed along the area and so on.Of course, this system removes a lot of the &quot;fun&quot; to be had off the game table, when you were at home and selected your masterful combination of spells or feats, and pre-calculated the various attack bonuses and AC values you had to expect. This might sound like homework (and im some ways, it is), but it was a part of the game and it caused fun, because unlike &quot;real&quot; homework, you know that the stuff you got to do with it would be fun.---4E is &quot;doing it for me&quot;. I have a lot of fun, both as a player and as a DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4477905, member: 710"] I tend to think 4E doesn't cater to people that want inherent complexity in the system. You have plenty of emergent complexity when playing the game. 3E featured a lot of "default tactics" that sprung from the inherent complexity of the system - casting a host of buff spells, buying Wands of CLW, stuff like that. But once you've figured this stuff us, there was little complexity to be had. At least compared to 4E - there is no "pre-combat tactic" to devise. You have to act to the situation. There are a few guidelines from the roles, but when it is a good idea to bring out a daily power, when you should put out your encounter attack that also provides healing, that all depends heavily on what kind of monsters you face, how the battlefield looks like, how the enemies and allies are distributed along the area and so on. Of course, this system removes a lot of the "fun" to be had off the game table, when you were at home and selected your masterful combination of spells or feats, and pre-calculated the various attack bonuses and AC values you had to expect. This might sound like homework (and im some ways, it is), but it was a part of the game and it caused fun, because unlike "real" homework, you know that the stuff you got to do with it would be fun. --- 4E is "doing it for me". I have a lot of fun, both as a player and as a DM. [/QUOTE]

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