Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
Is 4E doing it for you?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ahzad" data-source="post: 4485158" data-attributes="member: 4232"><p>My group has been mired in apathy for a while, prolly mostly my fault b/c I'm the DM and have kind of been burnt out on D&D 3.x and new players. I'm in the habit of canceling a game in a moment b/c I'm tired of dealing w/ new player questions and many of them are the same questions over and over and tired of them not contributing anything back to the game except for a few of them. It sucks b/c ideally I should cut some of the players and replace them, but I like them all as friends and would feel bad about losing some of them, since that's the only time some of us really hang out.</p><p></p><p>I've been playing D&D in each incarnation for 30+ years now, and most of that time has been behind the screen. Every edition has it pluses and minuses and 4e is no exception. When it was announced I was dead set against it b/c I just didn't want to continue to spend my money on this game when I've got so much stuff I've yet to use. Anyway I got a retailer demo package (I'm the manager at the local comics/game store) and thought I'd better at least give it a run through so I would know what the heck I was selling. So I got the group together and we played the first few encounters of Shadowfell Keep with the pre-gens that they sent with it. The group all seemed to really enjoy it, most being players that have less than 3 years experience at playing D&D, even the one guy I've been playing with for 20 years enjoyed it. I then had the opportunity to play in another guy's game, 4e got him interested to play again and he hadn't played since 2e. So he asked if I would play in his game and give him DM pointers and what-not until he got comfortable I said yes and I'll be damned if I'm not having a blast playing my eladrin wizard, who's now 2nd level.</p><p></p><p>I didn't want to like this game and was very resistant to it, but the more I've played it the more I've liked it enough now that I'm going to convert our Ptolus game into 4e in hopes that it will inject some new excitement into the game. There still a couple of things I don't like, mainly the lack of skill points I like having skill points I like to choose to be bad at something to be good at something else, and the lack of depth for the spells. I've seen the arguments for and against the spell issue and I can see both sides but to me IMO there is a lack of depth/versatility, but then there hasn't been an edition that hasn't had it's faults for me. It's still not my favorite edition or even MY D&D, but it is a fun D&D game and one that I think will hopefully bring a new generation of RPGers and that's what's most important.</p><p></p><p>Now if I had my druthers I'd rather run a game under the Spycraft/Fantasycraft system b/c personally I like a lot of crunch in my games and that system is the crunchiest <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> but with my newer players I think the 4e will be a lot more fun for them based on our playtest of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahzad, post: 4485158, member: 4232"] My group has been mired in apathy for a while, prolly mostly my fault b/c I'm the DM and have kind of been burnt out on D&D 3.x and new players. I'm in the habit of canceling a game in a moment b/c I'm tired of dealing w/ new player questions and many of them are the same questions over and over and tired of them not contributing anything back to the game except for a few of them. It sucks b/c ideally I should cut some of the players and replace them, but I like them all as friends and would feel bad about losing some of them, since that's the only time some of us really hang out. I've been playing D&D in each incarnation for 30+ years now, and most of that time has been behind the screen. Every edition has it pluses and minuses and 4e is no exception. When it was announced I was dead set against it b/c I just didn't want to continue to spend my money on this game when I've got so much stuff I've yet to use. Anyway I got a retailer demo package (I'm the manager at the local comics/game store) and thought I'd better at least give it a run through so I would know what the heck I was selling. So I got the group together and we played the first few encounters of Shadowfell Keep with the pre-gens that they sent with it. The group all seemed to really enjoy it, most being players that have less than 3 years experience at playing D&D, even the one guy I've been playing with for 20 years enjoyed it. I then had the opportunity to play in another guy's game, 4e got him interested to play again and he hadn't played since 2e. So he asked if I would play in his game and give him DM pointers and what-not until he got comfortable I said yes and I'll be damned if I'm not having a blast playing my eladrin wizard, who's now 2nd level. I didn't want to like this game and was very resistant to it, but the more I've played it the more I've liked it enough now that I'm going to convert our Ptolus game into 4e in hopes that it will inject some new excitement into the game. There still a couple of things I don't like, mainly the lack of skill points I like having skill points I like to choose to be bad at something to be good at something else, and the lack of depth for the spells. I've seen the arguments for and against the spell issue and I can see both sides but to me IMO there is a lack of depth/versatility, but then there hasn't been an edition that hasn't had it's faults for me. It's still not my favorite edition or even MY D&D, but it is a fun D&D game and one that I think will hopefully bring a new generation of RPGers and that's what's most important. Now if I had my druthers I'd rather run a game under the Spycraft/Fantasycraft system b/c personally I like a lot of crunch in my games and that system is the crunchiest :) but with my newer players I think the 4e will be a lot more fun for them based on our playtest of it. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
Is 4E doing it for you?
Top