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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ghaerdon Fain" data-source="post: 4491956" data-attributes="member: 62976">1,2,3, 3.5 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> and 4 E have all done it and not done it for me.  With 4E though I am a better DM and feel I can deal with everything.  As a player I feel overwhelmed with the power "cards" and often the party mulls over which one to use even when it's their turn.  Kinda like standing in the line at McDonald's, ponder the menu that's always the same, the clerk says can I take your order and you look blankly at her and then again at the board ... so that time wasting can suck the life out of the game if not managed better.Ya I love it, but I have loved them all, though the DM'ing was hard with 3x unless your RL job/school was part time ... and DM'ng was a full-time thing.Funny, a couple of days ago I spoke with my "comic-book-guy" at his store and he said 4E was selling really well, especially after the summer when players were hearing more good things about it by early adopters.  he made an awesome comment which we all should take heed of:"... frankly, it shouldn't matter what RPG you're playing. If you're roleplaying the rules shouldn't even be noticeable or at least the focus ... you should be in the moment and just there in front of the orc." Maybe not the deepest thing ever but it hit me that maybe the problem wasn't 4E or 3E for that matter but the fact that I was the problem and not playing the role but playing the rules [Zen moment please ....].So ya, it's doing it for me, but next time I play, I'm going to just go with the flow and role play.  Take heart, listening to the PHB2 conversation with WotC I'm feeling that all that was dear to 3E in terms of character options will return albiet in a different form, but options will abound.  I'm in it for the long hall and always house rule it to death.</blockquote>

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