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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4498123" data-attributes="member: 957">This is a good summary of my true view of it.If it was game night and we were not going to roleplay, then using 4E as a heroes vs monsters simulation would be a perfectly good option.  I'm certain we would enjoy it.  But 95% of the time, if not more, we want to role-play.  And there isn't a "4e isn't a roleplaying game" claim here, but it simply doesn't scratch our itch.  It is in the ballpark of the 15th or 20th best roleplaying game on the shelf.  It also happens to have some other nice features that make it redeemable if roleplaying isn't a key concern.  But if you want to roleplay, there are a range of better options available.</blockquote>