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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4498862" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Sure he did.</p><p></p><p>You can roleplay in Monopoly, but that doesn't make Monopoly the best role-playing vehicle available. He is making a statement that 4e is objectively <em>not</em> the best role-playing vehicle available. While you may disagree with that statement, it isn't a claim that 4e is objectively worse to play than any other game.</p><p></p><p>If you believe that the more chess-like a game becomes, the less adequate it is as a vehicle for role-playing, then it is reasonable to follow through that 4e is less adequate as a vehicle for role-playing than the editions that came before it. I happen to feel this way myself.</p><p></p><p>Either the rules do not affect how you can role-play, in which case Monopoly or Chess is as adequate an rpg as 4e, or the rules do affect how you can role-play, in which case it is reasonable to put forward a case that 4e is a better role-playing vehicle than Monopoly....or that 3e is better than 4e in this regard....or that 4e is better than 3e. </p><p></p><p>Whether or not there actually is an objective difference is, of course, open to debate. Suggesting (or stating your belief) that there is an objective difference shouldn't be taken as insulting. It isn't the same as saying one is objectively better than the other. IMHO, of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4498862, member: 18280"] Sure he did. You can roleplay in Monopoly, but that doesn't make Monopoly the best role-playing vehicle available. He is making a statement that 4e is objectively [i]not[/i] the best role-playing vehicle available. While you may disagree with that statement, it isn't a claim that 4e is objectively worse to play than any other game. If you believe that the more chess-like a game becomes, the less adequate it is as a vehicle for role-playing, then it is reasonable to follow through that 4e is less adequate as a vehicle for role-playing than the editions that came before it. I happen to feel this way myself. Either the rules do not affect how you can role-play, in which case Monopoly or Chess is as adequate an rpg as 4e, or the rules do affect how you can role-play, in which case it is reasonable to put forward a case that 4e is a better role-playing vehicle than Monopoly....or that 3e is better than 4e in this regard....or that 4e is better than 3e. Whether or not there actually is an objective difference is, of course, open to debate. Suggesting (or stating your belief) that there is an objective difference shouldn't be taken as insulting. It isn't the same as saying one is objectively better than the other. IMHO, of course. RC [/QUOTE]
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