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<blockquote data-quote="Harshax" data-source="post: 4201737" data-attributes="member: 61534">To me 4E is retro for these reasons:&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/1.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":1:" title="One&nbsp; &nbsp; :1:" data-shortname=":1:" />&nbsp; The implied ease that a DM will have at throwing together a night's game. Specifics: Monsters don't follow the same rules as PC's. Short stat blocks. Easy stat manipulation.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/2.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":2:" title="Two&nbsp; &nbsp; :2:" data-shortname=":2:" />&nbsp; 'Points of Light'.&nbsp; Nothing screams Caves of Chaos! like the 'Points of Light' campaign design concept that is being pushed by WotC.&nbsp; It's refreshing, and is so back to basics that to define it is to claim retro cred for 4E. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/3.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":3:" title="Three&nbsp; &nbsp; :3:" data-shortname=":3:" />&nbsp; Rituals.&nbsp; My gut tells me this is so retro. Remember rooms filled with impossible magic? Like. . . Permanent reverse gravity traps, and the insane garden in the I Series?&nbsp; 2E filled everyone's game worlds with unlimited (codified) magic.&nbsp; 3E and 3.5E filled everyone's game worlds with limited (codified) magic. 4E's answer? Quick and sweet (like Basic) + Rituals (DM hand waving).3E and 3.5E can't really do 1, but any game system can do 2. Reason 3 firmly belongs to the earliest editions of D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harshax, post: 4201737, member: 61534"] To me 4E is retro for these reasons: :1: The implied ease that a DM will have at throwing together a night's game. Specifics: Monsters don't follow the same rules as PC's. Short stat blocks. Easy stat manipulation. :2: 'Points of Light'. Nothing screams Caves of Chaos! like the 'Points of Light' campaign design concept that is being pushed by WotC. It's refreshing, and is so [b]back to basics[/b] that to define it is to claim retro cred for 4E. :3: Rituals. My gut tells me this is so retro. Remember rooms filled with impossible magic? Like. . . Permanent reverse gravity traps, and the insane garden in the I Series? 2E filled everyone's game worlds with unlimited (codified) magic. 3E and 3.5E filled everyone's game worlds with limited (codified) magic. 4E's answer? Quick and sweet (like Basic) + Rituals (DM hand waving). 3E and 3.5E can't really do 1, but any game system can do 2. Reason 3 firmly belongs to the earliest editions of D&D. [/QUOTE]

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