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<blockquote data-quote="Korgoth" data-source="post: 3785615" data-attributes="member: 49613"><p>You just blew up the Death Star there, Luke. My feelings exactly.</p><p></p><p>First, people of highly questionable creative and business talents ran TSR into the ground. But fear not: WOTC swooped down and proposed to save the day by mating D&D with GURPS (Jonathan Tweet? You mean of Ars Magica and Everway? Monte Cook? You mean of Rolemaster and Champions? And just what do they know about D&D?). But that was a disaster: the game bogged down, taking hours to prep, hours to run combat and became more about character optimization than about dungeons and the dragons therein. So much so that, iirc, even WOTC people started saying D&D was "20 minutes of fun packed into 4 hours of gaming", or somesuch. And their latest marketspeak has been bagging on 3E since 4E's announcement.</p><p></p><p>So the solution? "OK, we shouldn't have tried to turn D&D into GURPS. We should have tried to turn it into Exalted." But turning D&D into D&D? Perish the thought!</p><p></p><p>Now, some folks have admitted that they thrive on change. Surely some people are just simply tired of looking at D&D, and want something completely different. Are those the people who are going to pay WOTC's rent for the next half decade... people who thrive on change? Is WOTC really going to gamble the brand on a group significantly made up of people who didn't really like the brand in the first place?</p><p></p><p>It's like making Coca-Cola into hibiscus iced tea. For those who love hibiscus iced tea already, they'll rejoice in the streets and maybe a few of them will consistently purchase it. But all the people who like the flavor of Cola? Eventually, most of them will stop caring that their beverage comes in a red and white can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Korgoth, post: 3785615, member: 49613"] You just blew up the Death Star there, Luke. My feelings exactly. First, people of highly questionable creative and business talents ran TSR into the ground. But fear not: WOTC swooped down and proposed to save the day by mating D&D with GURPS (Jonathan Tweet? You mean of Ars Magica and Everway? Monte Cook? You mean of Rolemaster and Champions? And just what do they know about D&D?). But that was a disaster: the game bogged down, taking hours to prep, hours to run combat and became more about character optimization than about dungeons and the dragons therein. So much so that, iirc, even WOTC people started saying D&D was "20 minutes of fun packed into 4 hours of gaming", or somesuch. And their latest marketspeak has been bagging on 3E since 4E's announcement. So the solution? "OK, we shouldn't have tried to turn D&D into GURPS. We should have tried to turn it into Exalted." But turning D&D into D&D? Perish the thought! Now, some folks have admitted that they thrive on change. Surely some people are just simply tired of looking at D&D, and want something completely different. Are those the people who are going to pay WOTC's rent for the next half decade... people who thrive on change? Is WOTC really going to gamble the brand on a group significantly made up of people who didn't really like the brand in the first place? It's like making Coca-Cola into hibiscus iced tea. For those who love hibiscus iced tea already, they'll rejoice in the streets and maybe a few of them will consistently purchase it. But all the people who like the flavor of Cola? Eventually, most of them will stop caring that their beverage comes in a red and white can. [/QUOTE]
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