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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 3819729" data-attributes="member: 172">So, let's see then. Your entire argument is based around something I specifically call bad: save or die as part of a trivial random encounter. No, if you just walk around a corner and walk into a death spell casting lich, it's functionally the equivalent to a save or die trap, which I don't believe in either.Now take on the other hand, that this lich is the lich-king. His powers are well known. At the culmination of a great campaign, the players know the day of reckoning has come. They know the peril is great. But they proceed anyways. That, my friend, is heroic.</blockquote>