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<blockquote data-quote="bowbe" data-source="post: 3819731" data-attributes="member: 6328">Seems to me like a lot of people had their favorite character or BBG wacked by a save or die spell!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Maybe we could start a thread about that... folks cold get together and have a support group or something. Yes that was snarky... It was also meant to be in good fun. It's all just games folks. I for one was more annoyed with the plethora of No Save and take 150+ points of damage (maximized) spells that came out of such latter day classics as Complete Divine, and Spell Compendium. Sure, those offered Spell resistance... sometimes... if you read the fine print. Did I use the ban cannon on those when PCs started using them against me? No. There's no save for ray of enfeeblement and its ilk either... because they require a RTA. It looks like all the spells require an RTA now (in essence, as a caster has to roll something to see if it works) and you have a &quot;Spell Defense&quot; score rather than a save. Again I say. Whats the diff? A little change in language, and a fresh soap and scrub of the mechanics and its the same thing. Case</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bowbe, post: 3819731, member: 6328"] Seems to me like a lot of people had their favorite character or BBG wacked by a save or die spell! :p Maybe we could start a thread about that... folks cold get together and have a support group or something. Yes that was snarky... It was also meant to be in good fun. It's all just games folks. I for one was more annoyed with the plethora of No Save and take 150+ points of damage (maximized) spells that came out of such latter day classics as Complete Divine, and Spell Compendium. Sure, those offered Spell resistance... sometimes... if you read the fine print. Did I use the ban cannon on those when PCs started using them against me? No. There's no save for ray of enfeeblement and its ilk either... because they require a RTA. It looks like all the spells require an RTA now (in essence, as a caster has to roll something to see if it works) and you have a "Spell Defense" score rather than a save. Again I say. Whats the diff? A little change in language, and a fresh soap and scrub of the mechanics and its the same thing. Case [/QUOTE]

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