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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 3819909" data-attributes="member: 3424">I tend to agree with this. Save-or-die can make for more heroic gaming, provided the players choose to run the risk and are prepared to face the consequences. If the players lack this choice, then there is no element of heroism in facing a save-or-die challenge (beyond choosing not to run away, if that is an option).However, save-or-die challenges as random encounters or traps are not to everyone's taste. Not everyone enjoys a play style in which the PCs can find themselves with little or no warning in a situation where they are a single bad die roll away from death.In my view, save-or-die effects need careful handling, whether it's a sidebar advising DMs on the pros and cons of using save-or-die effects, and/or presenting them with a less deadly alternative. If there isn't space for such a discussion, then they should be restricted to a small number of very high-level monsters that would normally only be used for campaign-ending fights.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 3819909, member: 3424"] I tend to agree with this. Save-or-die can make for more heroic gaming, provided the players [B]choose[/B] to run the risk and are prepared to face the consequences. If the players lack this choice, then there is no element of heroism in facing a save-or-die challenge (beyond choosing not to run away, if that is an option). However, save-or-die challenges as random encounters or traps are not to everyone's taste. Not everyone enjoys a play style in which the PCs can find themselves with little or no warning in a situation where they are a single bad die roll away from death. In my view, save-or-die effects need careful handling, whether it's a sidebar advising DMs on the pros and cons of using save-or-die effects, and/or presenting them with a less deadly alternative. If there isn't space for such a discussion, then they should be restricted to a small number of very high-level monsters that would normally only be used for campaign-ending fights. [/QUOTE]

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