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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bowbe" data-source="post: 3821722" data-attributes="member: 6328">By the way, reading up on this 4e rumor-milling and the Save or Die thing got me remembering a couple things I had heard from folks in the RPGA that I run into from time to time at various events and cons. I've heard that one of the decisions for removing Save or Die effects came from an overall dislike of save or die on questionairs and such offered to RPGA/Organized Play. Another point of interest mentioned was some reputation/bragging rights and opportunities to take part in organized play online, where characters and parties could be ranked and marked as "official" in the way players and team ladders are ranked in other systems and games (yes, like video games "gasp".) I for one can see that as a very popular marketing strategy. I could be talking out my rear, or have misunderstood the folks who mentioned this to me at any one of a dozen con's i've been to in the last couple years but that was the gist I got. Please do not take my bringing it up as gospel, or any condemnation of the many fine folks who participate in organized play and have kept D&D going even through some of its darkest hours. Maybe someone involved in RPGA or organized play can verify or flat out squash them as silly coincidence or outright rubbish.Organized Play is noted as one of the 4 foundations of the "new" D&D. Books (rules), DI, Organized Play and You! (Isn't that how the blurb ran?)So I can totally see where folks involved in "Living x" would have a wrankle with Save or Die. Their xps absolutely crawl compared to a normal "in my basement" game. Getting a character up to any level of worthiness takles years and involves attending a lot of events and going through a lot of paperwork/official organizations for approval and what not. (At least it did last time I checked). Organized Play/RPGA (Again if I recall correctly) gets to use all (or most) of the supplement materials for the adventures written for it. A good chunk of characters classes and prestige classes from various books are also accepted. I can see how their voice would make a pretty big difference to Wizards in terms of selling books, because they buy them, and the folks writing the adventures for Organized Play use em. More of a difference than whether or not folks like myself can use the materials or not in a 3rd party publication I would guess!Sorry for the slide in focus. Just thought that bit was interesting and made a lot of sense when it comes to a ton of these 4e threads and rules hints we've all been combing through in the past couple months.</blockquote>

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