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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 3824222" data-attributes="member: 14451">If your big problem with save or die effects is that you are worried that you have a 5% chance of dieing from a save or die effect, then come us with a solution to the puzzle rather than throught he puzzle out.There is a feat in PHBII I think, Steadfast Determination, that allows you to use your CON bonus to will saves rather than your WIS bonus and in addition you never fail a fort save on a roll of 1.  There are also many other luck feats and class features that allow you to simply reroll the die.  So if your whole arguement is that you don't like the chance of dieing by rolloing a 1, then take a feat or class feature that prevents it and come up with a better excuse for why you should get rid of save or die effects.</blockquote>