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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3845234" data-attributes="member: 18280">Not in mine.....If this is your playstyle, the SoD can still require the use of resources (in 3e anyway), which means that it is at least somewhat relevant.&nbsp; However, it is interesting that one could claim that, on one hand, a thing is irrelevant, while on the other hand it is a problem.For that style of play, death is unwanted.Hardly.That indicates that Mallus and Jhulae both dislike save-or-die effects.&nbsp; Examining their reasons is the only means of determining whether SoD has an effect on their playstyle, or is instead simply pointing at what seems to be the problem (when the problem itself is potentially caused by other rules that this thing is interacting with).&nbsp; In the case of &quot;SoD is teh suck 'cause I like my character&quot;, for example, the problem is clearly not how the character dies, but that the character dies.In any event, the few SoD effects in the game are easy enough to ignore if you don't want them in the game.&nbsp; How many times, when someone has argued about something they didn't like in the game that you did have you offered that same advice?&nbsp; Just don't use it.&nbsp; It's there for others.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3845234, member: 18280"] Not in mine..... If this is your playstyle, the SoD can still require the use of resources (in 3e anyway), which means that it is at least somewhat relevant. However, it is interesting that one could claim that, on one hand, a thing is irrelevant, while on the other hand it is a problem. For that style of play, death is unwanted. Hardly. That indicates that Mallus and Jhulae both dislike save-or-die effects. Examining their reasons is the only means of determining whether SoD has an effect on their playstyle, or is instead simply pointing at what seems to be the problem (when the problem itself is potentially caused by other rules that this thing is interacting with). In the case of "SoD is teh suck 'cause I like my character", for example, the problem is clearly not how the character dies, but that the character dies. In any event, the few SoD effects in the game are easy enough to ignore if you don't want them in the game. How many times, when someone has argued about something they didn't like in the game that you did have you offered that same advice? Just don't use it. It's there for others. RC [/QUOTE]

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