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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mepher" data-source="post: 7955858" data-attributes="member: 61277">Like I said, I never saw a player make it above 14. High level play is deadly even with all the power that comes. The difference is that our current edition is designed to let the players go gonzo and get away with it. In AD&D you were fighting just as hard, if not harder, at level 14 as you did at level 4. Death was always a real possibility.I know the discussion will turn to DMs not challenging their players enough if it isn't dangerous but just look at the published material, 5E isn't really intended to challenge.  It's meant to play out the latest blockbuster movie where the hero always wins.  That ok, just not how I prefer to play.</blockquote>