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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7956129" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Not that its cannon or anything, but FWIW the intent of breaking a long rest included at least one hour of total activity, be it fighting, walking, casting spells, etc.:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]120416[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]120417[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>As far as the ambiguity of the English language, whenever you have a list of something preceded by a quantity or amount, that applies to the total of all items in the list, not just the first. If the other items are meant to have different amounts, those are included with each item. Otherwise, you are left with asking, "how much?" for each of the additional items in the list.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]120418[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Consider a similar example: You should eat 2-3 apples, bananas, oranges, or similar pieces of fruit, every day to help maintain good health.</p><p></p><p>Who is going to read that and reasonably argue that you should eat 2-3 apples only, and maybe bananas, maybe oranges, or maybe similar pieces of fruit, to help maintain good health?</p><p></p><p>You have to go with what most people would get out of reading it. Most people, IME and IMO, understand any and all of the activities done must total 1 hour or more when it comes to interrupting a long rest. Just as pretty much <em>everyone</em> reads the other example and understands it is 2-3 pieces of fruit, examples are apples, bananas, and oranges.</p><p></p><p>Could they have worded it more concretely? Sure, but the point in 5E is that they shouldn't have to. Following the more reasonable interpretation makes the intent clear 9 times out of 10.</p><p></p><p>And even after a 1-minute battle, it won't take an hour to set up your camp again. Other than maybe gathering firewood, "setting up" your camp doesn't take an hour in the first place, especially if you are well practiced at it and do it regularly.</p><p></p><p>On another note, I have played in several very high level AD&D games (well into the 20's) and played into the Immortals Set in BECMI (starting at basic). Those characters were certainly super-powers, especially magic-users, but a lot of that was due to the plethora of magic items many had. While I rarely saw super-items in the mid-levels, by the time the mid- to high-teens came around, encountering an artifact or such in some fashion wasn't uncommon. I have not reach that pinnacle yet in 5E, but so far they are simply different beasts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>P.S. I am not going to debate these interpretations, I am just posting my findings and understanding. Thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7956129, member: 6987520"] Not that its cannon or anything, but FWIW the intent of breaking a long rest included at least one hour of total activity, be it fighting, walking, casting spells, etc.: [ATTACH type="full" width="419px" alt="1585939641170.png"]120416[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" width="420px" alt="1585939677291.png"]120417[/ATTACH] As far as the ambiguity of the English language, whenever you have a list of something preceded by a quantity or amount, that applies to the total of all items in the list, not just the first. If the other items are meant to have different amounts, those are included with each item. Otherwise, you are left with asking, "how much?" for each of the additional items in the list. [ATTACH type="full" width="418px" alt="1585939789404.png"]120418[/ATTACH] Consider a similar example: You should eat 2-3 apples, bananas, oranges, or similar pieces of fruit, every day to help maintain good health. Who is going to read that and reasonably argue that you should eat 2-3 apples only, and maybe bananas, maybe oranges, or maybe similar pieces of fruit, to help maintain good health? You have to go with what most people would get out of reading it. Most people, IME and IMO, understand any and all of the activities done must total 1 hour or more when it comes to interrupting a long rest. Just as pretty much [I]everyone[/I] reads the other example and understands it is 2-3 pieces of fruit, examples are apples, bananas, and oranges. Could they have worded it more concretely? Sure, but the point in 5E is that they shouldn't have to. Following the more reasonable interpretation makes the intent clear 9 times out of 10. And even after a 1-minute battle, it won't take an hour to set up your camp again. Other than maybe gathering firewood, "setting up" your camp doesn't take an hour in the first place, especially if you are well practiced at it and do it regularly. On another note, I have played in several very high level AD&D games (well into the 20's) and played into the Immortals Set in BECMI (starting at basic). Those characters were certainly super-powers, especially magic-users, but a lot of that was due to the plethora of magic items many had. While I rarely saw super-items in the mid-levels, by the time the mid- to high-teens came around, encountering an artifact or such in some fashion wasn't uncommon. I have not reach that pinnacle yet in 5E, but so far they are simply different beasts. :) P.S. I am not going to debate these interpretations, I am just posting my findings and understanding. Thank you. [/QUOTE]
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