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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7956422" data-attributes="member: 93670">There is also the fact that spells &amp; abilities are tuned to be doled out across 6-8 encounters so a world more rich in things like politics, intrigue, laws, &amp; civilization&nbsp; it's problematic that the nova capabilities of 5e&nbsp; cut through all of it with a nova to just kill everyone who might be in the way of your goals.&nbsp; It's made worse because so many of the dials &amp; weaknesses are gone as [USER=6859536]@Monayuris[/USER] mentioned earlier in post<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-5e-easy-mode.671147/post-7956353" target="_blank"> 281</a> .&nbsp; Back in 3.5 for example, if 5th level&nbsp; Alice decides to circumvent negotiations&nbsp; with a fireball at a frenemy, they can just interrupt the spell by&nbsp; throwing their wine glass at her because the dc was 10+damage+spell level while in 5e it's 10 or half the damage taken&nbsp; so that wineglass only needs dc10.5e's cost free at will spontaneous super hero vrs normal people style nova is a huge problem for some settings that are not overflowing with eleminster types &amp; level 20 nobodies in every facet of society.&nbsp; Very few people have the ability to challenge superman or will to say no even if he somehow rolls -10 on his intimidate check &amp; after he murders someone neither the police nor the army have any realistic chance of even seriously inconveniencing him.&nbsp; PC's very quickly reach that power level in 5e &amp; any attempts by the GM to put their thumb on the scale creates a cascade of problems like those noted throughout the thread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7956422, member: 93670"] There is also the fact that spells & abilities are tuned to be doled out across 6-8 encounters so a world more rich in things like politics, intrigue, laws, & civilization it's problematic that the nova capabilities of 5e cut through all of it with a nova to just kill everyone who might be in the way of your goals. It's made worse because so many of the dials & weaknesses are gone as [USER=6859536]@Monayuris[/USER] mentioned earlier in post[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-5e-easy-mode.671147/post-7956353'] 281[/URL] . Back in 3.5 for example, if 5th level Alice decides to circumvent negotiations with a fireball at a frenemy, they can just interrupt the spell by throwing their wine glass at her because the dc was 10+damage+spell level while in 5e it's 10 or half the damage taken so that wineglass only needs dc10. 5e's cost free at will spontaneous super hero vrs normal people style nova is a huge problem for some settings that are not overflowing with eleminster types & level 20 nobodies in every facet of society. Very few people have the ability to challenge superman or will to say no even if he somehow rolls -10 on his intimidate check & after he murders someone neither the police nor the army have any realistic chance of even seriously inconveniencing him. PC's very quickly reach that power level in 5e & any attempts by the GM to put their thumb on the scale creates a cascade of problems like those noted throughout the thread. [/QUOTE]

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