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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7956827" data-attributes="member: 82504">Seems potentially very very broad given how many spells and class abilities the game has admittedly fewer than some editions but I disagree but then again I did not know about the fear effect infinite loop until yesterday or so.The real goal is not even to make one character style better at this. Its to make movement a more difficult and interesting choice its combined with rules like flanking and similar.Additionally note in 4e every single character/creature had opportunity attacks that worked that way and if you are trying to make moving around the battle less trivial more of an interesting choice with risks....&nbsp; Perhaps its better if its only rushing past a specialist in quantity is dangerous or maybe anyone with an extra attack can do extra opportunity ones too.Regardless just slopping several of these minor somethings in place seems entirely capable of building ok not quite pun pun...It was massively tossed aside from the looks of it and showing in seriously nerfed form in the Cavalier basically because it can have broad reaching effectsAnd to a degree that the Cavalier is pretty much worse at everything it does in comparison to a 4e battlemaster, Multiple-marks of enemies that arent even directly adjacent was possible at level 1 with an at-will ability. (ooh ah something everyone could do is now an end game ability of a specialty build also just doesnt impress me)Yes they chose to not to make that Tunnel fighter more than a online experimental thing... I think&nbsp; because it would have propagation that is far more extreme because other rules like fear inducing quasi-voluntary movement were not designed with it in mind.And even so it doesnt give me a generally trickier to navigate battle field.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7956827, member: 82504"] Seems potentially very very broad given how many spells and class abilities the game has admittedly fewer than some editions but I disagree but then again I did not know about the fear effect infinite loop until yesterday or so. The real goal is not even to make one character style better at this. Its to make movement a more difficult and interesting choice its combined with rules like flanking and similar. Additionally note in 4e every single character/creature had opportunity attacks that worked that way and if you are trying to make moving around the battle less trivial more of an interesting choice with risks.... Perhaps its better if its only rushing past a specialist in quantity is dangerous or maybe anyone with an extra attack can do extra opportunity ones too. Regardless just slopping several of these minor somethings in place seems entirely capable of building ok not quite pun pun... It was massively tossed aside from the looks of it and showing in seriously nerfed form in the Cavalier basically because it can have broad reaching effects And to a degree that the Cavalier is pretty much worse at everything it does in comparison to a 4e battlemaster, Multiple-marks of enemies that arent even directly adjacent was possible at level 1 with an at-will ability. (ooh ah something everyone could do is now an end game ability of a specialty build also just doesnt impress me) Yes they chose to not to make that Tunnel fighter more than a online experimental thing... I think because it would have propagation that is far more extreme because other rules like fear inducing quasi-voluntary movement were not designed with it in mind. And even so it doesnt give me a [U]generally[/U] trickier to navigate battle field. [/QUOTE]

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