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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7957698" data-attributes="member: 93670">When PF came out, 3.5 was getting long in the tooth &amp; the cracks in its foundation were starting to show long before PF in too many ways that damaged things.&nbsp; 4e came out and... yea..&nbsp; eventually my pf group moved on with life/work/etc.&nbsp; 5e came out &amp; I was still happily running fate games but eventually something in stk made me think eberron was coming soon&nbsp; so I took a plunge &amp; started with 5e.&nbsp; Not finding the setting support I wanted in the system I started building &amp; homebrewing to make do, problem being that 5e has fairly numerous glue traps set down in place of missing floorboards&nbsp; in a lot of places as [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] pointed out <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-5e-easy-mode.671147/post-7957280" target="_blank">earlier</a> &amp; those glue traps are a huge mess to simply change because too much of 5e is built around their existence in ways that will fight you. I liked starfinder when I joined a group playing it for a bit &amp; like what I see in pf2 with one of my players having tried to stoke interest among my main group of players but for now it's still wotc's ball to pickup because switching systems is a big hassle. With [ATTACH=full]120533[/ATTACH] literally putting every game on hold though....&nbsp;&nbsp; Even if my pf2 fan player convinces the group to&nbsp;&nbsp; give up on 5e &amp;&nbsp; switch to a different system giving feedback &amp;&nbsp; criticism is valuable to shape things in the future.&nbsp; As it is, this is probably the first time I might have a player trying to convince the group to jump systems and personally as the gm have no preference between dealing with 5e's hassles &amp; the hassle of learning/converting to pf2.I don't remember switching to pf1 because I didn't want to change so much as because I wanted change but 4e sure was...... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmUxfS4LF8" target="_blank">something</a>.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7957698, member: 93670"] When PF came out, 3.5 was getting long in the tooth & the cracks in its foundation were starting to show long before PF in too many ways that damaged things. 4e came out and... yea.. eventually my pf group moved on with life/work/etc. 5e came out & I was still happily running fate games but eventually something in stk made me think eberron was coming soon so I took a plunge & started with 5e. Not finding the setting support I wanted in the system I started building & homebrewing to make do, problem being that 5e has fairly numerous glue traps set down in place of missing floorboards in a lot of places as [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] pointed out [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-5e-easy-mode.671147/post-7957280']earlier[/URL] & those glue traps are a huge mess to simply change because too much of 5e is built around their existence in ways that will fight you. I liked starfinder when I joined a group playing it for a bit & like what I see in pf2 with one of my players having tried to stoke interest among my main group of players but for now it's still wotc's ball to pickup because switching systems is a big hassle. With [ATTACH type="full" alt="Covid"]120533[/ATTACH] literally putting every game on hold though.... Even if my pf2 fan player convinces the group to give up on 5e & switch to a different system giving feedback & criticism is valuable to shape things in the future. As it is, this is probably the first time I might have a player trying to convince the group to jump systems and personally as the gm have no preference between dealing with 5e's hassles & the hassle of learning/converting to pf2. I don't remember switching to pf1 because I didn't want to change so much as because I wanted change but 4e sure was...... [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmUxfS4LF8'][I]something[/I][/URL]. [/QUOTE]

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