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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8075749" data-attributes="member: 6901101">I'm not sure if we're reading each other's posts with intended tone. Maybe that is why it is difficult to see each other's viewpoints. I will rephrase my post. Maybe that will help. Session length has nothing to do with the adventuring day. Correct. Most groups (please notice, I am not talking about mine.) choose to combine session length with the adventuring day. Please note the original point I was trying to prove with my words. That most groups do not have long adventuring days. They have one, two, sometimes three encounters and then they rest. That was the point I was making. I was countering the point that just as many groups have a long adventuring day (4-5 encounters plus exploration) as a short adventuring day (1-2 encounters with exploration). This has nothing to do with my groups. It has to do with me explaining long adventuring days are rarer than short adventuring days.You are correct, in time sensitive dungeons or areas, those spells only provide a safe long rest, but it might also mean that the PC's don't "win." But, again, I would argue that time sensitivity is not the norm for a lot of groups. And that would push my original point - long adventuring days are rarer than short adventuring days. The reason those spells are important is because it does precisely allow PC's to long rest - even in dangerous areas. There are more than those two spells: the ranger's ability to hide tracks, the ability to fly somewhere orcs and goblins can't reach then lower a rope, the charlatan background and their ability to disguise themselves  (rent a room and hide from the guards), etc. My point is the abilities of the PC's as the rules are written encourages them to be creative and use long rests when they feel the need. Most DM's go along with this, not the other way around. That again supports my claim that even the ruleset, when the abilities and powers of the PC's are included, lends itself to shorter adventuring days. Last point, I am not saying it is wrong, better, etc. I am supporting the fact that shorter adventuring days are more common than long ones. Thanks for listening.</blockquote>

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