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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 7924263" data-attributes="member: 40233">I'd say a lot of the lack of challenge aspect comes from 5e's simplicity.  It's has a shallow learning curve, and it's fairly easy to build a character to the expected level of power.  Compare this with 3rd edition, where one could easily inadvertantly build a crippled character who couldn't contribute in  any meaningful way with his companions, and 1st & 2nd edition where there were very few ways to optimize your character, and death was both omnipresent and somewhat arbitrary.4e is the only thing really comparable to 5e in challenge (for reasons that should be fairly evident), but there is a mastery/optimization aspect to 4e that is less present in 5e. SoMore choicesFew "bad" choicesLots of cushion built in.</blockquote>