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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7925670" data-attributes="member: 93670">[USER=6778159]@Curmudjinn[/USER] no that is the rules of 5e itself the system was designed to work as I describedexcuse me? I want the clay golem thing you describe?&nbsp;&nbsp; I pointed at 3.5 wraiths, wights, oozes, trogs, some poisons, rust monsters, &amp; so on along with the defanging of things like that in 5e.&nbsp; greater restoration being a 7th level spell in 3.5 is absolutely germane in that context.&nbsp; Have you not been paying attention?As to the 5e clay golem, it does say &quot;or other magic&quot;... almost like the person who wrote that assumed that the folks working on spells&nbsp; &amp; other monsters wouldn't be streamlining it so much?Also compare the effect between both versions, the 3.5 one was much more interesting5e.[ATTACH=full]118670[/ATTACH]3.5[ATTACH=full]118672[/ATTACH]It's almost like there was more thought towards being interesting given to the 3.5 version because things like that were more common &amp; expected to be nontrivial with that one being especially so.&nbsp; If caster level checks were not removed with SR in 5e, perhaps the 5e version would have enough design space remaining to be equally interesting?[ATTACH=full]118673[/ATTACH]This particular case is an example of how the oversimplification of so much in 5e is bad on an almost purely objective level when so many of the others allow more subjective weighting of pros &amp; cons</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7925670, member: 93670"] [USER=6778159]@Curmudjinn[/USER] no that is the rules of 5e itself the system was [I]designed[/I] to work as I described excuse me? [I]I[/I] want the clay golem thing you describe? I pointed at 3.5 wraiths, wights, oozes, trogs, some poisons, rust monsters, & so on along with the defanging of things like that in 5e. greater restoration being a 7th level spell in 3.5 is absolutely germane in that context. Have you not been paying attention? As to the 5e clay golem, it does say "or other magic"... almost like the person who wrote that assumed that the folks working on spells & other monsters wouldn't be streamlining it so much? Also compare the effect between both versions, the 3.5 one was much more interesting 5e. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1582483748563.png"]118670[/ATTACH] 3.5 [ATTACH type="full" alt="1582484006558.png"]118672[/ATTACH] It's almost like there was more thought towards being interesting given to the 3.5 version because things like that were more common & expected to be nontrivial with that one being especially so. If [B]caster level checks were not removed with SR in 5e, perhaps the 5e version would have enough design space remaining to be equally interesting?[/B] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1582484809054.png"]118673[/ATTACH] This particular case is an example of how the oversimplification of so much in 5e is bad on an almost purely objective level when so many of the others allow more subjective weighting of pros & cons [/QUOTE]

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