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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7925733" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Fair enough if you used standard array that way, but since the game actually has a standard array... shrug&nbsp; And if a lot of people use far more &quot;beneficial&quot;--shall we say?--systems for ability score generation, that plays even more to my closing statement below.Anyway, so how many people play without those things?None, IME, and very few remove all three from what I have read about others' tables. From the polls we've had here, I think nearly 85-90% play with feats (even if they restrict certain ones), and over half have common or occasional MCing. I've never, in my entire lifetime of playing D&amp;D, heard of a game with no magic items, but it wouldn't surprise me if a table tried it for the challenge/fun of it. Low-magic, certainly, &quot;no-magic&quot;, never. Even if I played with a standard array, no feats, and no magic-items, they game is still more survivable most of the time than earlier editions (certainly 1E and 2E).Design the game for the way most people play, not require them to play a hacked-down version in order to make it a challenge. (Now, again, we are talking about the way it was designed... of course the DM can make any game &quot;harder...&quot;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7925733, member: 6987520"] Fair enough if you used standard array that way, but since the game actually [I]has[/I] a standard array... [I]shrug[/I] And if a lot of people use far more "beneficial"--shall we say?--systems for ability score generation, that plays even more to my closing statement below. Anyway, so how many people play without those things? None, IME, and very few remove [I]all[/I] three from what I have read about others' tables. From the polls we've had here, I think nearly 85-90% play with feats (even if they restrict certain ones), and over half have common or occasional MCing. I've never, in my entire lifetime of playing D&D, heard of a game with [I]no[/I] magic items, but it wouldn't surprise me if a table tried it for the challenge/fun of it. Low-magic, certainly, "no-magic", never. Even if I played with a standard array, no feats, and no magic-items, they game is [I]still[/I] more survivable most of the time than earlier editions (certainly 1E and 2E). Design the game for the way most people play, not require them to play a hacked-down version in order to make it a challenge. (Now, again, we are talking about the way it was designed... of course the DM can make any game "harder...") [/QUOTE]

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