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Is 5e the Least-Challenging Edition of D&D?
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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7934242" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>It's really not as easy to tweak as you make it out to be. Want to change from trench warfare style body counts to something more reasonable than 6-8 encounters/day & it's a gigantic gordian knot to the point that even wotc's own variant rule to do exactly that causes massive problems far worse than it solves.</p><p><strong>[ATTACH=full]119140[/ATTACH]</strong></p><p>Use it & you screw the balance between long rest & short rest classes before even getting into all the spells & powers that are affected or the fact that x/day charge magic items nearly enter cantrip levels of spammability.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]119141[/ATTACH]</p><p>It's designed for gonzo demigod level powers walking the battlefield with impunity who sleep it off each night to repeat tomorrow.... don't like that?... slow natural healing & healer's kit dependency are there to do... well...</p><p><strong>[ATTACH=full]119145[/ATTACH]</strong></p><p>Which amounts to not really even needing to use or buy the cheap & lightweight healer's kits because everyone with a cure spell or power(ie Lay on hands) can expend any unused spellslots or charges to cap off everyone's hp before getting those same slots back.</p><p></p><p>If the hostility to making badwrongfun changes to 5e is still in question, you need only look at dmg264 & try to implement those on a ddb character.... go ahead, I'll wait while you find the boxes to track those. [SPOILER]You won't find them there. but <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=honor+and+sanity+5e+fillable+sheet&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS859US859&oq=honor+and+sanity+5e+fillable+sheet&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.10854j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank">hey</a>, the <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/38wpjr/5e_character_sheet_form_fillable_with_honor/" target="_blank"><em>first</em> result</a> is fillable y0![/SPOILER]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]119147[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Hey, maybe none of that bothers you & you like 5e as is but want to use skills with different attributes from phb175.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]119150[/ATTACH]</p><p>Better be prepared to finish building that system for wotc because those examples are the only ones you can show your players & the old style of skill checks where x skill uses y stat is reinforced on the sheet, ddb, & just about everywhere else despite how <em><u>ability</u></em> checks rather than <em><u>skill</u></em> checks being the non-variant version presented on phb174.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]119152[/ATTACH]</p><p>having GM empowerment "<em>emphasized</em>" is great in theory, but when the system is designed in ways that make wotc's own examples impractical meaningless badly unbalancing or needlessly difficult that emphasis rings rather hollow at best. WotC obviously felt these things had enough appeal to waste pagespace on rather than something else like the ridiculous Bishounen comparison being made, they just couldn't be bothered to make sure they work or finish them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7934242, member: 93670"] It's really not as easy to tweak as you make it out to be. Want to change from trench warfare style body counts to something more reasonable than 6-8 encounters/day & it's a gigantic gordian knot to the point that even wotc's own variant rule to do exactly that causes massive problems far worse than it solves. [B][ATTACH type="full" alt="1583361052407.png"]119140[/ATTACH][/B] Use it & you screw the balance between long rest & short rest classes before even getting into all the spells & powers that are affected or the fact that x/day charge magic items nearly enter cantrip levels of spammability. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1583361148443.png"]119141[/ATTACH] It's designed for gonzo demigod level powers walking the battlefield with impunity who sleep it off each night to repeat tomorrow.... don't like that?... slow natural healing & healer's kit dependency are there to do... well... [B][ATTACH type="full" alt="1583361567509.png"]119145[/ATTACH][/B] Which amounts to not really even needing to use or buy the cheap & lightweight healer's kits because everyone with a cure spell or power(ie Lay on hands) can expend any unused spellslots or charges to cap off everyone's hp before getting those same slots back. If the hostility to making badwrongfun changes to 5e is still in question, you need only look at dmg264 & try to implement those on a ddb character.... go ahead, I'll wait while you find the boxes to track those. [SPOILER]You won't find them there. but [URL='https://www.google.com/search?q=honor+and+sanity+5e+fillable+sheet&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS859US859&oq=honor+and+sanity+5e+fillable+sheet&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.10854j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8']hey[/URL], the [URL='https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/38wpjr/5e_character_sheet_form_fillable_with_honor/'][I]first[/I] result[/URL] is fillable y0![/SPOILER] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1583361897014.png"]119147[/ATTACH] Hey, maybe none of that bothers you & you like 5e as is but want to use skills with different attributes from phb175. [ATTACH type="full"]119150[/ATTACH] Better be prepared to finish building that system for wotc because those examples are the only ones you can show your players & the old style of skill checks where x skill uses y stat is reinforced on the sheet, ddb, & just about everywhere else despite how [I][U]ability[/U][/I] checks rather than [I][U]skill[/U][/I] checks being the non-variant version presented on phb174. [ATTACH type="full"]119152[/ATTACH] having GM empowerment "[I]emphasized[/I]" is great in theory, but when the system is designed in ways that make wotc's own examples impractical meaningless badly unbalancing or needlessly difficult that emphasis rings rather hollow at best. WotC obviously felt these things had enough appeal to waste pagespace on rather than something else like the ridiculous Bishounen comparison being made, they just couldn't be bothered to make sure they work or finish them. [/QUOTE]
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