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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7936642" data-attributes="member: 93670">No because context matters.  In a discussion about ways of bypassing dr10 having crit fishing builds much more reliable(they could get down to like 12 or 13-20 iirc) is relevant. 19-20 is just not enough to say that champion is a crit fishing build in that context because they are going to be too rare for any meaningful impact on needing to do 10+ damage or deal no damage.Yes it does, but the complaint was hat fighter needed four feats to accomplish something  & that was misleading uninformed or just disingenuous  because as you yourself point out just now that's part of the base class & as the complaint was worded someone who did not know better might think that required a fighter to be very high level to accomplish using 5e style feat progression.There were quite a few that involved ways you yourself could move, things you could react to, & so on   Sure lets talk about tactical options though, battlemaster sure seems to have lots of those.Commanders strike is probably all new.  Disarming attack was a standard attack  hmm... instead of burning one of your precious superiority dice you could do this each round & maybe multiple times per round... possibly with feats adding to it too[ATTACH=full]119265[/ATTACH]distracting attack isn't all that different from feint.. this also could be done every round instead of burning a precious superiority die.[ATTACH=full]119266[/ATTACH]Evasive footwork?  hmm...  This also could be done every round without burning a precious resource[ATTACH=full]119267[/ATTACH]Goading attack?   There was the <a href="https://dndtools.net/feats/miniatures-handbook--75/goad--1238/" target="_blank">goading</a> feat but it was subject to MAD  or you could do some of <a href="https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/72556/how-to-force-enemies-to-attack-the-tank" target="_blank">this kinda stuff & a lot of it</a>... both were not things that required burning a superiority die & birraing a few of those stackexchange suggestions could mostly be done every round without burning a resource like superiority dice.Lunging attack?hmm.... There were <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/d-d-3-5-ways-to-increase-the-range-of-a-meele-weapon.310754/" target="_blank">quite a few ways</a> to accomplish this but because it was dramatically more powerful they often took more investment than a single feat.Maneuvering attack?  That's probably newMenacing attack?... few options here...[ATTACH=full]119270[/ATTACH]or do this at will as often as you want without burning anything like a superiority die or other resource[ATTACH=full]119271[/ATTACH]plus some of <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/77l3ah/35_is_there_any_way_of_playing_intimidation_based/" target="_blank">this stuff</a>Parry?you had this[ATTACH=full]119272[/ATTACH]plus a bunch of feats that affected it in the phb alone. & could do it every round without burning anything like a superiority die.Precision attack? Well you had these plus a bunch more I'm sure...[ATTACH=full]119273[/ATTACH]Oh yea you could do them every attack you ever made instead of burning superiority dice or some other limited resource.Pushing attack?you yourself pointed out that this was something you could just do & there were lots of feats that gave you extra ways to just do it or changed how effective you were at it.Rally?That one is probably new yea, but there were lots of PrCs so you never know.RiposteYou had <a href="http://dnd.arkalseif.info/feats/dragon-compendium--109/riposte--3390/index.html" target="_blank">riposte</a> making it the first opponent to attack and miss you for that round provokes an attack of opportunity from you.Sweeping attack?  Cleave is pretty similar[ATTACH=full]119274[/ATTACH]Trip attack?You had trip & all these[ATTACH=full]119275[/ATTACH]as a thing you could just do plus a lot of them had various feats to improve upon them.it's almost like your tactical choices criticism is off the mark with 5e having dramatically fewer tactical choices for fighters & other martial types.</blockquote>

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