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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7937746" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And even with 3.5's rules and 5 ft steps, D can be flanked with no cost. So, in 5e you can flank D or C, in 3.5 you can only Flank D. It sounds like 5e has more choices to work with here.And, if you want to make exceptions and decide for every ability, that is on you. The movement based AoO's have nothing to do with most abilities, since most classes do not get movement abilities (or they get teleports). If you want to also add back AoO's for spellcasting, manuevers, ranged attacks, healing, ect ect ect. That is your choice. Not a fault of the system.Interesting thing. 3.5 had AC, Flat Footed Ac, Touch AC, Reflex Saves, Fortitude Saves, Will Saves. 5e has AC, Dex Saves, Con Saves, Strength saves, Intelligence Saves, Charisma Saves and Wisdom Saves. 6 vs 7 So, it would appear just from that, that 5e has more tools than 3.5 to challenge players. Especially on the mental side, where previously all effects were Will saves and now you have three different types of effects to work with.And, to be frank, there is nothing that stops you from saying &quot;this monster ignores non-natural armor when attacking. The target's AC is calculated without armor or shield bonuses&quot;So, done. There is your touch AC for whatever you want to use it for that Dex saves wouldn't account for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7937746, member: 6801228"] And even with 3.5's rules and 5 ft steps, D can be flanked with no cost. So, in 5e you can flank D or C, in 3.5 you can only Flank D. It sounds like 5e has more choices to work with here. And, if you want to make exceptions and decide for every ability, that is on you. The movement based AoO's have nothing to do with most abilities, since most classes do not get movement abilities (or they get teleports). If you want to also add back AoO's for spellcasting, manuevers, ranged attacks, healing, ect ect ect. That is your choice. Not a fault of the system. Interesting thing. 3.5 had AC, Flat Footed Ac, Touch AC, Reflex Saves, Fortitude Saves, Will Saves. 5e has AC, Dex Saves, Con Saves, Strength saves, Intelligence Saves, Charisma Saves and Wisdom Saves. 6 vs 7 So, it would appear just from that, that 5e has more tools than 3.5 to challenge players. Especially on the mental side, where previously all effects were Will saves and now you have three different types of effects to work with. And, to be frank, there is nothing that stops you from saying "this monster ignores non-natural armor when attacking. The target's AC is calculated without armor or shield bonuses" So, done. There is your touch AC for whatever you want to use it for that Dex saves wouldn't account for. [/QUOTE]

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