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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7940326" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Is 5ed the least challenging of the editions...Well, ask that to my second group that was doing the Prince of the Apocalypse. An adventure that some people rated as an easy picking...The group was literally storming the earth cult. They had obliterated the water cult and destroyed the artifact, destroying the node and the Crushing Wave power base. The 10th level group, armed to the teeth and six players strong was set on destroying the earth cult.The first two levels of the Earth cult were done with a breeze and they even succeeded in allying themselves with the Lich. Well... ally is a big word but with the persuasion check made I can at least call the lich an ally of convenience. All was well and good. They retreated for the night and came back for third level. Marlos set up a welcome comity on the third level with reinforcements. The welcome comity was utterly crushed with just a few ressources. Knowing about duergards they had a detect invisibility active as they were going down. So they were not surprise.They encountered the Mud Mage and with (again) a persuasion roll that would've made Asmodeus reform into goodness, obtained neutrality from the Mud Mage in not giving the alert. The Mud Mage agreed and in exchange for his life offered a lay out of the level, the defenses and number of troops waiting for the group. He even told them that the Medusa Marlos was about to conjure up Ogremoch.The group was using the Fire in the hole tactic with silence spells placed strategically so that the sound of a fireball would not sound the alarm. A sound tactic that had and that works well. That is when everything crumbled to dust.They rolled a good initiative, the fireball goes in the face of the opposition with a meager 20 points of damage... The monk goes in the first group (I placed them randomly in front of the players, people likes it as it gives the encounter an organic non static feel) and misses all but one of her attacks. Then the Earth priest casts a defensive spell and tells to two of his guards: "SOUND THE ALARM and you two block the way." and the guards who were next in initiatives act. Two of the 4 surviving guards go through the door opposite of the players and run down the corridor in two opposing directions. One goes to the door where the players are (suffering 10 points of damages from the monk with her AO) and take the dodge stance. The last one goes to the other door and take the dodge stance too. To make a long story short. TPK.The second group had a few close call with the earth temple too but they managed.So if you ask me if the 5ed is carebear...nope it's not. In third edition, the group would've survived quite easily.</blockquote>

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