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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8307281" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I’m not trying to convince you of anything other than why a huge chunk of folks bowed out of the playtest very early because of deeply slanted surveys, the hiring of ZakS and Pundit, Mearls “Warlord shouting arms back on” comment, Warlords being out, Damage on a Miss being out, balance at the Adventuring Day vs Encounter, and the accreting perception from these things and others that their feedback was not the feedback WotC was looking for. That the surveys and trajectory were selecting for an AD&amp;D 3e aesthetic (even if not consciously, that was what we are seeing).No one would possibly believe that WotC was sitting on a finished product. That’s absurd. I suspect that the way they used feedback on their actual internal testing was that they grabbed whatever had the most overwhelming positive or at least not a negative response (like enormously overwhelmingly so) &gt; fed that to their internal play testers to fold in &gt; maybe it got included. So something like Adv/DisAdv would have been a product of the playtest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8307281, member: 6696971"] I’m not trying to convince you of anything other than why a huge chunk of folks bowed out of the playtest very early because of deeply slanted surveys, the hiring of ZakS and Pundit, Mearls “Warlord shouting arms back on” comment, Warlords being out, Damage on a Miss being out, balance at the Adventuring Day vs Encounter, and the accreting perception from these things and others that their feedback was not the feedback WotC was looking for. That the surveys and trajectory were selecting for an AD&D 3e aesthetic (even if not consciously, that was what we are seeing). No one would possibly believe that WotC was sitting on a finished product. That’s absurd. I suspect that the way they used feedback on their actual internal testing was that they grabbed whatever had the most overwhelming positive or at least not a negative response (like enormously overwhelmingly so) > fed that to their internal play testers to fold in > maybe it got included. So something like Adv/DisAdv would have been a product of the playtest. [/QUOTE]

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