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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 8308700" data-attributes="member: 16586">I wanted to clarify that when I say that it's obvious to me that Wizards made an active decision not to include the cohort of people who were fans of 4e (especially those of us who were not too keen on Essentials) in their big tent I'm not making any claims about what they should have done. I don't think it's any fan's place to feel entitled to anyone's creative labor. It was actually probably a smart business decision for them because to do otherwise would mean not bringing other elements of their coalition.I'm also not saying that they took nothing from 4e. I'm saying they did not ask us anything. They assumed they knew what we valued. They made tone deaf statements that belied a lack of understanding. What drew me back to Dungeons and Dragons with 4e was that it had an evocative setting that grounded players in the center of its conflicts, had this visceral energy, and mechanics with strong themes and helped you feel your character's mentality. That it's mechanics had teeth. That as a GM I did not need to focus on pacing nearly as much.When I say it (5e) lacked what was great about 4e I mean exactly that. That it lacks the spirit of the game. It's heart. It's tension. While definitely different games Pathfinder Second Edition and Exalted Third Edition are the only games that come close (to its spirit) in my estimation. It definitely has stuff from 4e, just not the right stuff to enable the sort of play I came to expect from 4e.That's fine though because it's still a damn fine game. It does what does better than any other game on the market. When it comes to dungeon fantasy as a vehicle for GM storytelling or the sort of play we see in something like Critical Role it's amazing. It's approachable. Smooth at the table. I can't wait to play this weekend.I get genuinely excited to play 5e, but I feel like when I talk about it with fans I'm in this place where I get judged for insufficient fandom.</blockquote>

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