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Message: <blockquote data-quote="melkoriii" data-source="post: 149000" data-attributes="member: 2162">quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Gromm Is a natural “20” always a hit and natural “1” always a miss when using weapons? Is a natural “20” always a success and natural “1” always a failure when rolling a saving throw? Is a natural “20”always a success and natural “1” always a failure when rolling an ability check or a skill check? On an attack roll or a saving throw, a roll of “20” on the die is always a success and a roll of “1” is always a failure. This represents the inherently chancy nature of combat; it has innumerable variables that are completely beyond the acting character’s control. In the case of attack rolls, common sense must prevail. A roll of “20” cannot produce a hit when a hit is not possible. (For example: It won’t hit when a target is beyond the attacker’s melee reach or beyond a ranged attack’s maximum range.) Some circumstances always produce a hit or a miss no matter what the attack roll is. For example, an attack against a concealed target has a flat chance to produce an automatic miss (see Table 8–10 in the Player’s Handbook), no matter what the attack roll is. Likewise if you’re using the coup de grace rule or take a full round to line up a melee attack on an unattended object, you always hit. Saving throws are similar to attack rolls in that there’s always a little something beyond the character’s control. Like combat, there are cases where the roll is irrelevant, even if it’s a “1” or “20.” Creatures that are immune to an attack never have to roll saving throws against that attack. Likewise, if a spell or attack form doesn’t allow a saving throw in the first place, you can’t roll a saving throw and hope to get a “20.” Skill checks are not subject to automatic success or failure. Some tasks are just too easy for failure or too hard for success. (Most people don’t fail once on every 20 attempts to tie their shoes.) Ability checks are likewise not subject to automatic failure or success. (No matter how lucky you are, you’re just not going to kick down a castle wall.) If the DM feels that chance might affect the outcome, a saving throw or attack roll is probably more appropriate.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh I see it.  Its just not in the core rules and so is irrelevant.  When there is a errata on it.  Then I will play with it.  But till then its not official.</blockquote>

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