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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2488420" data-attributes="member: 6939">Careful there.... while this is still 'self defense', it was the characters that started the actual fighting. The bandits just asked for gold. Not even their weapons. If the bandits wanted to kill them and &quot;sell their shoes&quot; they would have attacked on the surprise round.The wizard started the 'fight' by trying to cast a spell.And yes, there is a big difference between *purposely* killing a *helpless* opponent, as opposed to accidently killing one because you had to fireball someone else, or as opposed to killing a awake aware person.What if they attack, and then all surrender? From the above logic, once they attack, they are dead men.... so if they surrender it would also be okay to kill them. Afterall, they &quot;knew what they were getting into&quot;.And I would imagine that killing a dragon &quot;just for the treasure&quot; could also be an evil act. Now, if it is an evil dragon (color coded for your benefit) then it has done evil things, and that is different. And before you compare, a sleeping dragon is *still* a threat, as opposed to a sleeping bandit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 2488420, member: 6939"] Careful there.... while this is still 'self defense', it was the characters that started the actual fighting. The bandits just asked for gold. Not even their weapons. If the bandits wanted to kill them and "sell their shoes" they would have attacked on the surprise round. The wizard started the 'fight' by trying to cast a spell. And yes, there is a big difference between *purposely* killing a *helpless* opponent, as opposed to accidently killing one because you had to fireball someone else, or as opposed to killing a awake aware person. What if they attack, and then all surrender? From the above logic, once they attack, they are dead men.... so if they surrender it would also be okay to kill them. Afterall, they "knew what they were getting into". And I would imagine that killing a dragon "just for the treasure" could also be an evil act. Now, if it is an evil dragon (color coded for your benefit) then it has done evil things, and that is different. And before you compare, a sleeping dragon is *still* a threat, as opposed to a sleeping bandit. [/QUOTE]

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