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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Amazing Dingo" data-source="post: 1818271" data-attributes="member: 23353">I have to whole heartedly agree with this.  In fact, it is the centerpiece of a chaotic good character.  He might easily make a deal with a bad guy with no intentions of keeping it.  Now, this gets a bit trickier with a Neutral Good character.  Below is the SRD quote on Neutral Good:Neutral Good, “Benefactor”: A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them.The Neutral Good character does the best that a good person can do.  From what I've read - that the church of Nerull has solidified its position within the military and within the populace and is offering a solution to the plague - I think the best thing he can do is agree, even if only to gain the benefits from the military alliance.  I do agree with someone from earlier in the thread that it will get better before it gets much worse (worse in the notion that no deal had been made).  Mortimer might be deciding to take advantage of that good time before breaking the deal.That tricky part I mentioned with Neutral Good is that they can occasionally break deals.  They certainly aren't lawful and always beholden to their word, however they aren't chaotic either.  It is a tough call, but I wouldn't change his alignment yet.  Bill, you say that you took old PCs for their evil actions.  They were repeated actions that proved the alignment change.  I think Mortimer should have to commit a chaotic act in terms of breaking the deal in order to change to Chaotic Good.  If he can wiggle around within the words of the deal with perhaps only a little breaking of the deal (perhaps he wiggles around in two areas while only breaking one) then I'd keep him NG.  If he managed to wiggle around in all of the areas without breaking it, then I'd perhaps consider him for Lawful (perhaps Lawful Neutral, though even I'm not sure about that).  If he breaks each term of the deal somehow, then I'd change him over to Chaotic Good.Any which way, I think you need to see where Mortimer is going first.  True, he might suffer a visit by a very pissed angel or three about his actions and could suffer some punishment for it - that is up to you and I think it would make good sense unless he can give the angel a good reason why he has done it (even then, the angel might have to "punish" him just to keep appearances up and getting cursed by three seperate gods (well, two if Heironeous can't curse outside that 100 yard radius)).  However, the alignment shouldn't change quite yet.If you want to find out, have angels visit him.  I might make it kinda like a nighttime visit to Scrooge with the angels taking the place of the spirits of christmas.  Each one would have his own ideas and theories and might teleport him around some to show him what his decisions have wrought.  They would question him about his actions and expect an answer, including why and how he plans on handling what he's done.  It might be a little forced, however I think it would also be something a god or several gods might do.  One question I do have for you Bill is what is Mortimer going through internally with the decision?  I know you probably haven't had a lot of time to see his reaction(s) but I think this is another important thing, as has been mentioned before.  Is he relieved that he has help for the army?  Thats just foolish and stupid and would tend to a more evil alignment since he's totally neglecting the innocents that will likely suffer since Nerull is evil.  Is he happy he'll be ending the plague in a city?  Thats foolish since he should be aware that no good can come from a deal with an evil deity.  Is he fighting with decisions on how to come out on top and best Nerull?  Thats a good character!  As I mentioned before, how he does it (in terms of the contract) would decide whether he's Neutral or Chaotic, but that is still definately a good character.  He's working with what he has and believes he can turn the tables on Nerull and the demon or at least die trying.One thing that I think a God of Death and Undeath must realize is that it is not good to kill off followers or a large number of potential followers.  I think it is a pretty good idea on Nerull's part.  He attracts living followers and with a potential war (and he can manipulate a war since he has the support of the generals) he'll have plenty of undead soon enough.  Gods get power from worshippers.  God's of Undeath don't have their skeletons worshipping them...they can't get power via worship.However, there is something to your words knifespeaks if a god acquires a much much much larger portion of power from a person turned to undeath.  I think there is sense in that logic of Godly Might and fits well for a God of Undeath (else it becomes a much much much harder portfolio to have).Just my two cents.</blockquote>

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