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is a Fighter/cleric etc less powerful using a shield
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6903271" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>An improvised <u>weapon</u>, is a <em>weapon</em>.</p><p></p><p>It says so right on the tin.</p><p></p><p>Look in the weapon section. There is a whole section on improvised weapons.</p><p></p><p>Rage bonus to damage specifies <em>weapons</em>. Paladin smite specifies <em>weapons</em>. Etc, Etc Etc.</p><p></p><p>Id be mighty pissed if you didnt let a PC fight with two broken bottles, or shards of glass, or knitting needles or shivs or whatever, but let him do it with knives. </p><p></p><p>Makes zero sense, and is against the plain english meaning of the word 'weapon'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Glad I dont play in your game then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Presuming the dude has Tavern Brawler (for proficiency in improvised weapons) and the Dual weilder feat (shields are not light improvised weapons) then yeah sure.</p><p></p><p>The shield bonus to AC doesnt stack, so you waste 2 feats (basically two levels of abilities) to make an attack with your main hand as an action dealing 1d4 + Str damage, and your bonus action to deal 1d4 damage.</p><p></p><p>If you also have TWF style, you can add your Str to your off hand as well.</p><p></p><p>Woefully suboptimal.</p><p></p><p>If you dont think a person can do it, go outside and grab two rubbish bin lids (one in each hand), and start hitting something.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you dont have to do anything of the sort.</p><p></p><p>If you have defence and dueling are wearing armor and using a single weapon in one hand, you get +1 to AC and +2 damage all the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The RAW and RAI is clear. You most certainly can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6903271, member: 6788736"] An improvised [U]weapon[/U], is a [I]weapon[/I]. It says so right on the tin. Look in the weapon section. There is a whole section on improvised weapons. Rage bonus to damage specifies [I]weapons[/I]. Paladin smite specifies [I]weapons[/I]. Etc, Etc Etc. Id be mighty pissed if you didnt let a PC fight with two broken bottles, or shards of glass, or knitting needles or shivs or whatever, but let him do it with knives. Makes zero sense, and is against the plain english meaning of the word 'weapon'. Glad I dont play in your game then. Presuming the dude has Tavern Brawler (for proficiency in improvised weapons) and the Dual weilder feat (shields are not light improvised weapons) then yeah sure. The shield bonus to AC doesnt stack, so you waste 2 feats (basically two levels of abilities) to make an attack with your main hand as an action dealing 1d4 + Str damage, and your bonus action to deal 1d4 damage. If you also have TWF style, you can add your Str to your off hand as well. Woefully suboptimal. If you dont think a person can do it, go outside and grab two rubbish bin lids (one in each hand), and start hitting something. No, you dont have to do anything of the sort. If you have defence and dueling are wearing armor and using a single weapon in one hand, you get +1 to AC and +2 damage all the time. The RAW and RAI is clear. You most certainly can. [/QUOTE]
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