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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6909654" data-attributes="member: 6788736">You smash them with the edge mate, not the flat of the shield.Its harder than hitting someone with a club (no proficiency bonus unless you have highly specialised training via Tavern Bralwler) but a clean hit with the edge of a shield is gonna hit you with the same force as a solid whack with a club.No-one is arguing that clubs arent easier to use. They're designed to be used as weapons (unlike shields).Anyone could pick up a club and smack someone with it. AFAIK every class in 5E is proficient with them.Over the course of a minute of combat, your average Fighter with a club is going to deal way more damage and be far more dangerous than a person with a shield. Lack of proficiency creates a massive DPR disparity between the two.If the Fighter was specialised in fighting with the shield, then the damage comes up to par. Of course, if the Fighter that is using the club simply spends the same time down the Gym (adding +2 to Str instead of learning the Tavern Brawler feat) his DPR is still going to be superior.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6909654, member: 6788736"] You smash them with the edge mate, not the flat of the shield. Its harder than hitting someone with a club (no proficiency bonus unless you have highly specialised training via Tavern Bralwler) but a clean hit with the edge of a shield is gonna hit you with the same force as a solid whack with a club. No-one is arguing that clubs arent easier to use. They're designed to be used as weapons (unlike shields). Anyone could pick up a club and smack someone with it. AFAIK every class in 5E is proficient with them. Over the course of a minute of combat, your average Fighter with a club is going to deal way more damage and be far more dangerous than a person with a shield. Lack of proficiency creates a massive DPR disparity between the two. If the Fighter was specialised in fighting with the shield, then the damage comes up to par. Of course, if the Fighter that is using the club simply spends the same time down the Gym (adding +2 to Str instead of learning the Tavern Brawler feat) his DPR is still going to be superior. [/QUOTE]

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