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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9613205" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I specifically meant keeping rage damage bonus, reckless attack, and being able to use big heavy weapons.Because, y'know, that's literally what would make it like Avenger. Having high base AC while wearing cloth, being able to get Advantage on attack rolls easily, and (for at least certain subtypes of Avenger) having a damage bonus.The whole point was that IF you could get a Barbarian who uses Dex, you could in fact do something that is a near-perfect 5e translation of the 4e Avenger, rather than the incredibly poor-fitting Paladin &quot;&quot;&quot;Avenger&quot;&quot;&quot; we got in the Oath of Vengeance.To be clear, I understand that this is powerful. It's why I haven't asked my current 5e DM to permit such a thing; I have no real confidence he'd accept, and it would be enough heavy lifting on his end (as we use a VTT) that it would be inappropriate for me to ask. But it's one of the few things in 5e that genuinely excites me as far as class concepts go.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9613205, member: 6790260"] I specifically meant keeping rage damage bonus, reckless attack, and being able to use big heavy weapons. Because, y'know, that's [I]literally what would make it like Avenger[/I]. Having high base AC while wearing cloth, being able to get Advantage on attack rolls easily, and (for at least certain subtypes of Avenger) having a damage bonus. The whole point was that IF you could get a Barbarian who uses Dex, you could in fact do something that is a near-perfect 5e translation of the 4e Avenger, rather than the incredibly poor-fitting Paladin """Avenger""" we got in the Oath of Vengeance. To be clear, I understand that this is powerful. It's why I haven't asked my current 5e DM to permit such a thing; I have no real confidence he'd accept, and it would be enough heavy lifting on his end (as we use a VTT) that it would be inappropriate for me to ask. But it's one of the few things in 5e that genuinely excites me as far as class concepts go. [/QUOTE]

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