Is a warhorse proficient in armor?

[karash]

Related to barding, is it assumed that a warhorse is proficient in armor?

What about a paladin mount?

Thanks

 

[frankthedm]

Related to barding, is it assumed that a warhorse is proficient in armor?

What about a paladin mount?

Thanks

You will find nothing definite in the PHB, DMG or MM.

Most DMs i know treat them as proficient with barding.

 

[Starglim]

Traits: An animal possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).
—Proficient with no armor unless trained for war.

So an animal that is trained for war might be proficient with armour. I don't see anything in the Monsters or Equipment sections of the SRD or the Handle Animal skill that says a warhorse is proficient with armour.

A paladin's mount is a magical beast, but it has the same feats as an animal (see the paladin class description).

 

[jesse.colegoldberg]

Warbeast template...

In the Monster Manual II , page 219, there is a template that trains an animal for combat. It also refers to a class of "war creatures" in the Monster Manual that "are considered to already have a separate 'war template'." and gives a heavy warhorse as en example.

There is a link to a Warbeast templated griffon on the WOTC site, currently down due to 4e traffic, but duplicated here:
http://crpp0001.uqtr.ca/w4/campagne/Downloads/Downloads_WotC/Elite Opponents Griffons.htm

 

[mvincent]

is it assumed that a warhorse is proficient in armor?

Yes. From the rules (Animal type in the MM):
"Proficient with no armor unless trained for war."

 

[nittanytbone]

Unless someone can throw something more convincing "BTB" at me, I usually say that all animals are non-proficient with any armor. Thus, you want to put them in padded, leather, masterwork studded leather, or mithril chain shirt barding in most cases.

The exception would be war trained mounts, where I allow the buyer to select if they want the mount's feats taken up with the standard ones or the Armor Proficiency ones. For example, a heavy warhorse could have Armor Proficiency (Light & Medium) or the given two feats.

A special mount or companion, once it gets to 6 HD, could pick up Armor Prof (Heavy) as well. Many animals have pretty good DEX so you don't want armor heavier than a breastplate anyways, and a mount wearing full plate would be very encumbered once you added a rider and his gear as well.

 

[Starglim]

Unless someone can throw something more convincing "BTB" at me, I usually say that all animals are non-proficient with any armor. Thus, you want to put them in padded, leather, masterwork studded leather, or mithril chain shirt barding in most cases.

The exception would be war trained mounts, where I allow the buyer to select if they want the mount's feats taken up with the standard ones or the Armor Proficiency ones. For example, a heavy warhorse could have Armor Proficiency (Light & Medium) or the given two feats.

The standard feats being Endurance and Run? Swapping out Run for an armour feat is not bad at all. I think I'd want to give warhorses Armor Proficiency (Light) as a bonus though, and not allow swapping out Endurance for warhorses (maybe for other types and different feats).

Neither of the horse's listed skills has an ACP. Jump does. It might be a consideration if its attacks are significant to your combat strength.

 

[Elephant]

What does 'BTB' mean?

 

[Sound of Azure]

What does 'BTB' mean?

By the Book, I guess

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

In the Monster Manual II , page 219, there is a template that trains an animal for combat. It also refers to a class of "war creatures" in the Monster Manual that "are considered to already have a separate 'war template'." and gives a heavy warhorse as en example.

There is a link to a Warbeast templated griffon on the WOTC site, currently down due to 4e traffic, but duplicated here:
http://crpp0001.uqtr.ca/w4/campagne/Downloads/Downloads_WotC/Elite Opponents Griffons.htm

This sounds pretty much BTB to me.