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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4371605" data-attributes="member: 4937">But I could say the same thing about the absence of alignment.In my opinion, not using alignment either causes problems, or else if it's not causing problems its because its really being used and enforced implicitly.&nbsp; So this gets us nowhere.The obvious rejection of my argument is, if it were true, the it would be true that you'd only see consistant RPing in D&amp;D - which is clearly spectacularly false.&nbsp; But I would counter that in systems without explicit alignment, the setting either like CoC or Chill creates an explicit 'us vs. them' alignment which supercedes pretty much anything else in actual play, or else has some other mechanism for creating a character contract which is roughly as constraining as alignment - Paranoia's secret societies, WoD's natures and demeanors, Star Wars light and darkside points, Rifts single axis alignment system, CoC's sanity points, and so forth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4371605, member: 4937"] But I could say the same thing about the absence of alignment. In my opinion, not using alignment either causes problems, or else if it's not causing problems its because its really being used and enforced implicitly. So this gets us nowhere. The obvious rejection of my argument is, if it were true, the it would be true that you'd only see consistant RPing in D&D - which is clearly spectacularly false. But I would counter that in systems without explicit alignment, the setting either like CoC or Chill creates an explicit 'us vs. them' alignment which supercedes pretty much anything else in actual play, or else has some other mechanism for creating a character contract which is roughly as constraining as alignment - Paranoia's secret societies, WoD's natures and demeanors, Star Wars light and darkside points, Rifts single axis alignment system, CoC's sanity points, and so forth. [/QUOTE]

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