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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5023609" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I agree, dwarf fighter may be the ultimate poster child for a starting 16, but its not the only case where it works OK. Realistically I think all but a few classes can get away with a 16 and for a lot of them there are compensating advantages. Qualifying for various feats can be worth a lot and while you won't miss out on a huge number of them with an 18 if you do things just right it will cause you to either miss out on some good ones or else force you to lower secondaries more than you would like to. Starting 20's though are rough. There are builds where it simply makes sense, like Archer Rangers, but in a lot of others its probably not worth the fact that you're losing out on most feats with prereqs and all your power riders are going to be miserable. On top of that you better not get into a situation where you need to depend on a roll vs anything but your primary ability score. You'll also find that 2 of your NADs are going to be serious weaknesses at high level.</p></blockquote><p></p>