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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nai_Calus" data-source="post: 5030750" data-attributes="member: 79670">Annnd this is exactly what I was saying I hate. This mentality that you must have an 18 period and if you don't you're doing it wrong.I just want to play my Eladrin cleric. Do I get a damned thing out of it? No, I'm not even going to be a STR cleric so Eladrin Soldier is useless to me. Do I have any feats that do me or my party any good because of my race? Not a damned thing, *Elves* get the shiny racial class feat for my god of choice. If I want to take the one racial PP I have open, I have to pay a feat tax to do it. I'm going to have a 16 WIS, period, because otherwise all my other stats are completely hosed instead of just mostly. Eladrin cleric has nothing special going for it at all, other than 'Eladrin Cleric of Corellon' making vast amounts of *fluff* sense.And you know what? There's your justification, right there, all you need for it. Is it an OMG awesome character? Gods no, there's no mechanical benefits at all. Is it workable? Sure. You take your 16 and suck it up and do the best you can with what you have. Because, yeah, that's the *character* you want to play.Refluffing an elf is just... Wow. I think it's telling that I have yet to come across a single DM who'd let you pull off that level of munchkin. Hells, I have yet to find one that'll let me say a half-elf is half-eladrin and take Eladrin feats instead of Elf, the hell with using another race entirely. And yes, elves make massively better clerics than Eladrin do. It's too bad I don't want to play an elf, isn't it? I *do* suck it up. Is it annoying that the option has nothing going for it at all? Yes. Do I try to munchkin my way around it? No. I want an Eladrin cleric, not an elf cleric, not even an "elf"imeaneladrin with solid-colour eyes who got picked on as a kid because he couldn't fey step like the rest of his supposed race. I am far, far more concerned with Eladrin clerics that there is absolutely no meaningful racial support(Seldarine Dedicate doesn't even count, enjoy your feat tax) for them than with their lack of 'on' stats for cleric. The 16 is fine. I'm not that arsed about it. It's the lack of anything *else* that makes them a crappy choice. But yeah you know what oh well, brb, being a pansy fairy pardon me while I'm fey and mysterious and pretty and playing the character I want to play, mechanical consequences be damned. :|</blockquote>

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