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<blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 5031487" data-attributes="member: 1544">Having played a cleric with 16 str and 16 wis, followed by a 'typical' elf 20 dex archery ranger. I know which I prefer.Give me the hyper optimized character in any 4e game. I get far more role play value out of the ranger's 'spiked' 20 dex and 'dumped' 8 int.My cleric who had fairly reasonable stats across the board was boring mechanically AND in terms of flavour/roleplay value. So I'd just like to remind everyone that having an optimized character and having a really awesome role playing experience are not mutually exclusive.I feel that 4E encourages, and works far better with, having optimized characters. But whether the 18 is necessary or not boils down to two things.1) What's the combat level of the campaign? i.e. mostly party level encounters or mostly partly level +2 encounters?2) Who's your DM?With my DM, and the H1-3 modules? Yes, I believe 18s, or even 19 and 20 are a necessity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zustiur, post: 5031487, member: 1544"] Having played a cleric with 16 str and 16 wis, followed by a 'typical' elf 20 dex archery ranger. I know which I prefer. Give me the hyper optimized character in any 4e game. I get far more role play value out of the ranger's 'spiked' 20 dex and 'dumped' 8 int. My cleric who had fairly reasonable stats across the board was boring mechanically AND in terms of flavour/roleplay value. So I'd just like to remind everyone that having an optimized character and having a really awesome role playing experience are not mutually exclusive. I feel that 4E encourages, and works far better with, having optimized characters. But whether the 18 is necessary or not boils down to two things. 1) What's the combat level of the campaign? i.e. mostly party level encounters or mostly partly level +2 encounters? 2) Who's your DM? With my DM, and the H1-3 modules? Yes, I believe 18s, or even 19 and 20 are a necessity. [/QUOTE]

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