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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5031887" data-attributes="member: 59057">I do... i think you are just not getting the point so i do it more slowly for you... The players reskin a drow to an eladrin (two already existing races with thier racial abilities)... so you have drow which can fey step... I reskin my eladrin as an Orc... players charge in, expect an orc...they try to block his way so he can´t use his charge attack... what happens is, that the "orc" uses fey step, the player is pissed, because you screwed his tactic as the fey step just goes around the player, maybe reach a controller the orc would not have reached... So maybe you don´t understand the concept of reskinning: it is used for creating non existing races... and when you reskin as DM, you usually use the stats and attacks, but you change the racial ability to the matching race: (Create a weaker hobgoblin? Use goblin stats and change goblin tactics to hobgoblin resilence, maybe increase Str by 2 and reduce dex by 2)  You didn´t comment on the other build... so i still consider this a surrender, because i showed a case where PM is better than taking a Paragon path i chose... You said i should give an example where PM is better than a Paragon path... And no, my goliath bard was flavour... and i don´t give up all my leader ability... also i have enough hp and i can heal myself and i like the concept...  Of course it is not optimized but very viable... you are not sacrificing too much of the leader ability... you still have song of rest and you still have majestic word and you still grant THP to your friends... actually i didn´t have goliath greatweapon prowess and howling strike at first, because i usually rather have a longsword and a shield... i could invest in plate armor if i wanted and i could use a heavy shield... what you are doing is to expect anyone to play like you and consider everything suboptimal not viable... a big mistake if you ask me, but whatever rides your bike... And actually, i like this concept... as a single player class it looks ok and fun... warchanter also seems like fun, but doesn´t fit into this concept... edit another mistake you make: you consider MBA as bad options... why? some powers are not better than that damage wise... actually most powers are not better than that damagewise... even using eldritch blast with your warlock doesn´t do more damage... if that is what youwnat to aim for... The bard however also has a rage power which can even enhance this damage more and maybe generate some nice effects... you are really not grasping the concept of beeing able to adapt to situations... Sometimes all you need is damage, and then you start raging and help your party with what is needed most... also what any bard needs is proving his companions that he is not a fancy musicion, but someone who can fight if needed... and especially a goliath bard should do that... also your dwarven warlord is not the most unoptimized (and you needed 2 feats: melee training and dwarven weapon training) Any dwarf with const as attack stat and a hammer does great damage with an at will...</blockquote>

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