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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5032156" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I think that depends on the setting. There are specific settings where it could make perfect sense to allow unlimited reskinning of one race as another. OTOH I do have rather a "this is kind of hokey" sort of reaction to it as a general thing in fairly typical fantasy setting. I'd kind of rather see players do the leg work and I don't really see much to the mechanical argument as all PCs are pretty close in combat power and outside of combat there's really not much way to gauge effectiveness in some general way.</p><p></p><p>Looking at the Eladrin Cleric that was batted around earlier. I don't see this character as being a terrible character at all. use the 16/16/12/11/11/8 array and you wind up with a 16/11/13/14/16/8 for stats. Makes an OK basic STR cleric, has a pretty good even spread on defenses, and can make good use of Eladrin Soldier. He could even swap WIS for INT at the cost of a point of bonus on some powers and MC to wizard. He could also MC fighter and do some nice polearm stuff with the greatspear or some Fey Charging. He could swap CHA and STR and do laser cleric stuff. Sure, elves have a WIS bonus, but so what? It just won't cripple the character to have a 16 prime req and his good performance with INT based skills, decent access to a couple good MCs and with the STR build good access to eladrin racial feats is fine. As a cleric he can use good heavy armor. Fey step is useful to ANY character and he can leverage it as much as he wants. Just being able to 'port over to the guy that needs healing RIGHT NOW and lay it on is pretty nice. He sure as heck isn't gimped out of combat. The worst you can say about this PC is vs an elf he's maybe going to miss once every 2-3 fights because of a one lower ability bonus. His longsword proficiency is great to give him the +3 weapon he should have and its like a free feat almost. It isn't really as bad as it was made out to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5032156, member: 82106"] I think that depends on the setting. There are specific settings where it could make perfect sense to allow unlimited reskinning of one race as another. OTOH I do have rather a "this is kind of hokey" sort of reaction to it as a general thing in fairly typical fantasy setting. I'd kind of rather see players do the leg work and I don't really see much to the mechanical argument as all PCs are pretty close in combat power and outside of combat there's really not much way to gauge effectiveness in some general way. Looking at the Eladrin Cleric that was batted around earlier. I don't see this character as being a terrible character at all. use the 16/16/12/11/11/8 array and you wind up with a 16/11/13/14/16/8 for stats. Makes an OK basic STR cleric, has a pretty good even spread on defenses, and can make good use of Eladrin Soldier. He could even swap WIS for INT at the cost of a point of bonus on some powers and MC to wizard. He could also MC fighter and do some nice polearm stuff with the greatspear or some Fey Charging. He could swap CHA and STR and do laser cleric stuff. Sure, elves have a WIS bonus, but so what? It just won't cripple the character to have a 16 prime req and his good performance with INT based skills, decent access to a couple good MCs and with the STR build good access to eladrin racial feats is fine. As a cleric he can use good heavy armor. Fey step is useful to ANY character and he can leverage it as much as he wants. Just being able to 'port over to the guy that needs healing RIGHT NOW and lay it on is pretty nice. He sure as heck isn't gimped out of combat. The worst you can say about this PC is vs an elf he's maybe going to miss once every 2-3 fights because of a one lower ability bonus. His longsword proficiency is great to give him the +3 weapon he should have and its like a free feat almost. It isn't really as bad as it was made out to be. [/QUOTE]
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