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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5033507" data-attributes="member: 2011">I assume you are talking about Hide Armor Expertise.Even with an 18 Con, Hide AC at level one is 17, Plate is 18. It is easier to hit Hide. Going up the levels (and assuming a +1 increased items at levels 3, 6, 11, 16, 21, and 26):[code]01 17 1802 18 1903 19 2004 20 2105 20 2106 22 24 Layered Plate07 22 2408 24 2509 24 2510 25 2611 26 28 Gith Plate12 27 2913 27 2914 29 3015 29 3016 32 33 Darkhide, Warplate17 32 3318 33 3419 33 3420 34 3521 36 37 epic ability score gain in hide, Legion Plate22 37 3823 37 3824 38 3925 38 3926 41 43 Elderhide, Godplate27 41 4328 43 4429 43 4430 44 45[/code]Assuming everything else the same between the two (i.e. if one takes a shield, the other takes a shield, if one takes armor specialization, the other does).The only way for the Hide AC to match is if the Hide armor PC starts with a 19 or higher Con at level 1.The only way for it to beat is if the PC is a Barbarian.Course, Barbarians lose two handed weapon capability if they use a Shield, so the Plate and Shield PC still has as high of an AC (or higher most levels) with a Large Shield as most Barbarians have with Hide Armor Expertise.Yup, a Barbarian can use 3 feats to get Hide Armor Expertise, Light Shield, and Heavy Shield and have an insanely high AC (1 and sometimes 2 higher than the Plate and Heavy Shield PC). Course, they give up Striker damage doing that.</blockquote>