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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6315242" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't know if I'm on of those masses, but I have enjoyed playing and GMing paladins for over 20 years, and have never seen the mechanical restrictions as very important to them. A good paladin player brings his/her own sense of what is permitted and what is not to the table, and plays according to that.It sounds like you need to find a new group.Also, why are players playing paladins if they don't want to play chivalric knights? It's not as if paladins have been particularly mechanically powerful in any version of the game since AD&D.You might also want to look at the incentive structures in your games. If players have no incentive to play their PCs seriously, and do have an incentive to play their PCs as "murder hobos", maybe you (and/or the GM) aren't framing the game in a way that encourages players to play to the PC types that they have chosen. (For instance, why did the character have to slay defenceless captives to win a celestial mount? Why was it not given as a gift by the grace of the heavens?)</blockquote>